What did Winx beat?

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Gladys, you said "all you could manage was to denigrate past champions"

Simply return fire for denigrating current champions.

Forty three races Gaz and not one name.

I have no more to say on this topic. Blather, divert, insult, do anything you like. You have had I think about two years to come up with a name and all you could manage was to denigrate past champions and call me names for pointing out what most race followers already knew.

Here it is for the last time;

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'

I will leave this topic for you and your other identity to continue on with the mutual admiration.

Speaking of needing a good laugh, what is your top rater for this year's Melbourne Cup. Humidor will be hard to beat.

This is the logic by which Gladys rates a horse:

Wins/Starts - Man O' War 20/21, Zenyatta 19/20, Brigadeer Gerard 17/18 were all in Gladys' opinion actually better horses than the following list of unbeaten horses because they were beaten at least once. 

Black Caviar 25/25, Ribot 16/16, Nearco 14/14, Frankel 14/14

So according to Gladys you have to have been beaten at least once to be a better horse than an unbeaten horse????

Now, rightly or wrongly that is how the logic is worked out in Gladys' DELUSIONAL WORLD OF RACING

GO FIGURE !

Your sole basis for believing that the quality of horses suddenly and mysteriously declined during the Black Caviar and Winx era, is that the two mares never got beaten. If the two mares can't be beat, then the opposition must be weak. A nice semi-rhme for you to illustrate the vacuousness of your perceptions.

Two mares so brilliant and bulletproof, that they became invincible and rewrote history. Yet your puerile conclusion was that they met weak opposition - a view for which you have not produced a shred of evidence.

Who knows, maybe if they'd both been beaten a dozen times, so that G1's were shared, that could have convinced you that they had worthy opposition. Unfortunately, acceptance of the concept of invincibility does your head in. It's beyond your powers of reasoning and way outside your scope of appreciation.

Go back to the dark ages and enjoy the era of fallible champs.


Thank you all for your concerns & your suggested home remedies for gout relief.

Unfortunatelly according to the Royal physician the problem is exacerbated by too much high living and an excess of red wine & port as well as the insistance that I should loose 40 or 50 kgs or so.

But that wont be happening, who wants a jolly old King that looks like a stick figure?

I tried a couple of the suggested home remedies but they didnt work too well as its hard to swallow liquids when you are laughing constantly & wobbling like a big bowl of jelly, you tend to simply blubber it out.

No more attempts at home remedies for me I'm afraid as I have come to the realisitation that

LAUGHTER TRULY IS THE BEST MEDICINE.

Yes mirth & levity really are great healers & you continually provide me with both in spades Gladys, well done. 

Keep the stupidity coming Gladys it is working a treat for me.

You can look forward to me publishing these recent additional delusions to the already long list of the Delusional Racing World according to Gladys.

Like Criterion never won a G1 at WFA over 2000m before running second to WINX in the 2015 Cox Plate

AND

There were a multitude of no hopers finishing between Highland Reel & WINX in the 2015 Cox Plate.

Ha, ha, ha, ha hearty ha, haaaaaaa, KEEP EM COMING GLADYS YOU MAKE MY DAY!

I cant wait for the next bit of stupidity that you are going to post but I dare say that I am going to be disappointed as it will be pretty hard to top your most recent nitwit version of past events. 


A table spoon of Braggs organic ACV each morning in a glass of water and you will never get gout again. Cherry concentrate is also good. Some celery seeds from the health food shop made into a tea with boiling water once every two weeks will detox you and rid you of Uric acid.

As to Winx you are soundly found wanting Gaz. Live in your deluded media world, I have said my last on this topic

I think your logic is well placed with your rating of Humidor in the Melbourne Cup, tailed off last.

King,

Anything with cherries helps enormously. Cherry juice, dried cherries or fresh cherries. Cherry juice is available at supermarkets.

ACV (Apple Cider Vinegar) as suggested by Gladys, may or may not help. If you use it, make sure its very diluted, drink a glass of water straight after and then rinse your mouth out.

Cheers.

Apple cider vinegar for your gout Gaz.

Nothing I can think of for your blathering though. I think it is too far gone.

Gladys re your:

If he (Highland Reel) was good then the reason must have been either he suffered severe interference, did not handle the track, was injured or just had an off day from the travel. You see, otherwise he would have flogged those no hopers that finished in front of him. They had not won at wfa, Group Ones or over that distance. 

Why didn't you nominate all those no hopers that finished in front of him in that Plate as horses that would have stood out in any era, after all, they beat him easily and he is your standout.

Looks like we have some "MORE DELUSIONS" to add to the list of the racing world according to Gladys.

Sorry Gladys but you are again being extremely delusional if you actually think as stated that there were multiple horses finishing between Highland Reel & WINX in the 2015 Cox Plate.

Highland Reel finished third & Criterion finished second.

I suggest that you  enrol yourself in a remedial maths course as all us non delusional people know that there is Not too much room in between third & first to include multiple horses as per your delusional references such as "those no hopers" AND OR "They" "horses" both being terms alluding to more than one,

Sorry to be the one to break this news to you Gladys but the only position between 3rd & first is 2nd and that position was taken by Criterion, there were no other horses finishing between 3rd and first, only Criterion.

Oh & heres another delusion to add to your list Gladys.

You said: "They had not won at wfa, Group Ones or over that distance."

As you were talking about

"those no hopers that finished in front of him." 

And the fact that only one horse other than the winner WINX finished in front of Highland Reel you must have been directing your comments towards Criterion.

Therefore you are saying that "They (Criterion) had not won at wfa, Group Ones or over that distance."

Yet again more delusions which can be accredited to you Gladys as the FACTS are that Criterion had won the G1 WFA Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 m & the G1 WFA Caulfield Stakes 2000 m prior to running second to WINX in the Cox Plate.

Please don't change Gladys, you are a constant source of amusement for me.

Your jolly old King relies upon you continuing to provide him with a great big belly laugh every now and then, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaa, haaa, this is so much fun, I am wobbling like a big bowl of jelly as I write.

I thank you for your stupidity as it takes my mind off the pain of my gout.

 

 

Forty three races Gaz and you can't name one.

All our great horses of the past and you rubbish them in an attempt to bolster her success against a lack of competition.

What a low piece of work you are.

"Blah blah blah" The most sensible thing you've said on this thread.

Blah blah blah! 

Best ever in the history of Australian racing, best in the World, everyone too frightened to come here to face her, all the good ones hiding and you can't name one horse in over 40 races.

Go and wave your flag and have a sob.

Just remember, good horse, best of her weak era, drumroll.....beat nuthin!

Gladys,

How many of our CHAMPION racehorses from the past other than WINX can boast formlines closely aligned and or related to Arc de Triomphe form?

Hmmm, now lets see now I am reasonably sure that most thinking people (me included) would consider that So You Think (NZ) could almost be claimed as one of our CHAMPIONS.

However he was flogged by a 4yo mare by the name of Damedream in the 2011 Arc de Triomphe when finishing fouth.

Prior to the Arc, Damedream had only won 2/G1s in Germany.

Our other great Aus champ who went over for the Arc, Strawberry Road, suffered a similar initiation when finishing 5th.

How many of our CHAMPION racehorses from the past, other than WINX, can boast formlines closely aligned and or related to good Arc de Triomphe form?


If you are going to ridicule Winx's opposition, then consider how lowly the opposition in the 2000 Cox Plate must appear, if Sunline as a specialist MILER, could cane them by 7 lengths.

 

That's just it Gaz. She only just annihilated no hopers, no champions amongst them. Just a procession of stablemates and one pacers.

Let's face it. You have got no answer just insults and deflections.

Do you feel as stupid as I made you look?

You dismissed Moonlight Cloud as credible oppostion when Black Caviar beat it overseas.

You dismiss Highland Reel whom your "yesteryear" horses "would have cleaned ..up quite easily"

Even If Winx annihilated every champion in the world, you would have chimed in with  "best of her era, beat nuthin".

I can fix a lot of things, but I can't fix stupid.

 

Gees Gaz, now you are going into red print in an attempt to get out of this one. I don't care about all the quotes, the abuse, the comparisons, your ratings, the deflections, none of it matters. The fact is that she had over forty starts, over forty, and you cannot name one horse that she beat that would have been a standout in any era.

Now usually when either Khap or myself post anything on this forum you and your bottom kissing disciples flood on in great haste with criticism. I have been banging on about this one point, not that she wasn't a good horse and the best or her era, but simply she was in a hopeless era and beat nuthin', yet no one has come in to assist you, only your made up alias.. You have had a couple of years and over forty races to look at and can only come up with poor old Highland Reel. You then proceed to raise him to utter champion status in an attempt to bolster her. Well, those horses that finished in front of him in the Cox Plate must all be superstars too. Care to name them and declare them as standouts in any era?

Forty races Gaz, give us the name(s) of these wfa champions who would have been standouts in any era.

 

Gladys, you said...

"I don't really rate him (Highland Reel) as being anything special. Most of our good wfa horses of yesteryear would have cleaned him up quite easily." 

“Northerly and the others that I mentioned would towel the horses that Winx beats by 12 lengths.” 

In other words Northerly and Sunline wouild have beaten Highland Reel by 12 lengths.

Oh dear.

What a stupid question posed only to deflect from the main issue. You can't name any standout horses that she beat so you dig up these meaningless propositions to sound knowledgeable.

I don't know whether he would have beaten her. I don't really rate him as being anything special. Most of our good wfa horses of yesteryear would have cleaned him up quite easily. You just reverse engineer the poor horse to prop up Winx s you cannot name anything else.

Now, for the lst time. Which horses did she beat that would have been standouts in any other era. If that is too hard, name the horses that finished between HR and Winx in that Cox Plate who you rate as standouts in any era.

I am not interested in answering anything else. Put up or shut up Gary. You have been found out to have no answer.

Okay, if the Cox Plate had been run AFTER the Vase, with luck in running and all being well, by how much would Highland Reel have beaten Winx?

I don't know how much he improved Gary. If he did improve then he must have either had an off day or suffered interference (which he did) when he raced in the Cox Plate. Who cares! 

Obviously if he did improve dramatically then he should have won the Cox Plate but for whatever went wrong on that day.

What is your point? You can't name a decent horse she beat so you carry on with all this tripe about whether another horse improved or later became a good horse. What about the horses that finished between Winx and HR. Which ones of those would have been standout horses in any era?

Blather on about that!

Gladys, enough of the rhetoric; just give me a number! How many lengths did Highland Reel improve to win the Vase?

Yes Gary, keep talking to yourself. Between all your flag waving and talking to yourself have you ever considered just how ridiculous your propositions regarding Highland Reel really are?

Consider this; Just say HR was a champion in the making, He is beaten by Winx and then immediately goes on to great achievements on the international scene. If he was already an established star then he would have run second to Winx, not six lengths back. He was beaten by a heap of other no hopers, why was that? Why would he then go on and win overseas if he couldn't beat those hacks that finished between him and Winx?

If he was good then the reason must have been either he suffered severe interference, did not handle the track, was injured or just had an off day from the travel. You see, otherwise he would have flogged those no hopers that finished in front of him. They had not won at wfa, Group Ones or over that distance. Maybe he was using that classic Winx excuse, "still learning his craft".

Why didn't you nominate all those no hopers that finished in front of him in that Plate as horses that would have stood out in any era, after all, they beat him easily and he is your standout.

You have got nuthin' except abuse, diversions and blather. A pea brain driving a big mouth. Instead of your useless tripe why don't you stick to making ratings and then perhaps you colour them in and put them next to your cap and flag.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

 

Sorry about that

Should have read

Imaging

Super Storm

 

Thanx

 

Sorry about my previous error.

Hey King, I can't fault your response, but i think you touched a nerve.

She's run outta ammo!

She can't even tell me how many lengths improvement HR made to win the Vase.

 

 

I don't have to prove anything to a total clown like you Gary. Your the one with your big flapping mouth declaring she was the greatest horse in Australian history and the greatest in the world, not me.

Who did she beat, no one? She just beat stable mates and no hopers whilst imbeciles like yourself burst into tears and waved flags.

I have justified my opinion. Unfortunately you cannot justify yours, otherwise your posts would include some facts, not just underlining, highlighting, suppositions and abuse.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

Gladys, 

You incorrectly said:

"(except a three year old at the START of his career who had travelled to the other side of the world)"

He was actually well into and well performed in his racing career and at the chronological age of approximately 3 years & eight months prior to being thrashed by WINX in the Cox Plate which is why he had to carry far more weight than our 3yo colts & geldings.

This is decreed by the WFA scale for a 3yo Northern Hemisphere colt.

Similarly only approximately 7 weeks later when very nearly a 4yo he thrashed FLINTSHIRE (the 2014 winner} in the 2015 G1 WFA  Hong Kong Vase.

It is well documented that FLINTSHIRE who ran 2 lengths 2nd to Golden Horn in the 2015 Arc de Triompe just prior to being thrashed by Highland Reel in the G1 Hong Kong Vase was an exceptional racehorse.

It is also woth noting that Golden Horn not only won the Arc but also won the Epsom Derby, Eclipse Stakes & the Irish Champion Stakes.

Further to this it should also be noted that this 2015 Arc field also included the 2013 & 2014 Arc winner TREVE.

There are only a handfull of horses who can be listed in the ELITE COMPANY of horses who have won two Arc de Triomphes.

Some of those include ENABLE, TREVE, ALLEGED & RIBOT.

How many CHAMPION race horses from the past other than WINX can boast formlines closely aligned and or related to Arc de Triomphe form?

Interested to hear you answer to that one Gladys.

Should be easy for you as you continue to insist that many of our CHAMPIONS of the past were far better horses than WINX who supposedly beat nuthin.

Of course you will probably come up with the old chestnut that yeah but they didn't travel but hey neither did WINX.

The bottom line is that unless you can align or link our past CHAMPIONS form drawing a line through high class G1 International form then they are all only very big fish who raced in a very small pond against a bunch of tiny little minows.

Over to you Gladys, heres your chance to prove once and for all that WINX actually beat nuthin and that our past CHAMPIONS were not simply big fish in a tiny little pond.

Put up or shut up dopey!

 

 

 

 

What was the improvement in lengths from the Cox to the Vase? Just give me a number.

 

 

I think poor old Highland Reel has had more press from you in trying to come up with a name then he ever did throughout the world from the racing press.

In her whole racing career, is that all you have got? A three year old at the beginning of his career. Is that the only name you can come up with after all her race starts?

Good horse. best of her era, beat nuthin (except a three year old at the start of his career who had travelled to the other side of the world)

Following being flogged by HIGHLAND REEL in the G1 2015 Hong Kong Vase FLINTSHIRE went on to have 5 further starts as a 6yo producing 2 / G1 wins, 1 / G2 win & 2 / G1 2nds.

WINX flogged Highland Reel in a G1

THEN

Aproximately 7 weeks later Highland Reel the nuthin horse flogged FLINTSHIRE in a G1

Good points well made Gary

AND

Further to this lets take a look at some of the G1 form that FLINTSHIRE displayed prior to and including being flogged by the nuthin horse HIGHLAND REEL.



G1 2015 SARATOGA 1st 2.5L Sword Dancer Stks (Grd1 3yo) 2414m 55.5
G1 2014 SHA TIN 1st 0.4L HONG KONG VASE 2400m 57.0
G1 2013 LONGCHA 1st 1.5L JUDDMONTE 3CF OPEN 2400m 58.0
G1 2015 SHA TIN 2nd 1.4L HONG KONG VASE OPEN 2400m 57.0
G1 2015 LONGCHA 2nd 2.0L PRIX DE L'ARC DE TRIOMPHE 2400m 59.5
G1 2015 SAINT CLO 2nd 1.2L GRAND PRIX 2400m 58.0
G1 2015 MEYDAN 2nd 2.2L Dubai Sheema Classic 2410m 57.0
G1 2014 SANTA AN 2nd 0.5L Breeders' Cup (Grd1 3yo) 2414m 57.0
G1 2014 LONGCHA 2nd 2.0L PRIX ARC DE TRIOMPHE OPEN 2400m 59.5
G1 2014 EPSOM DO 2nd 2.0L Investec Coronation Cup OPEN 2414m 57.0
G1 2015 EPSOM DO 3rd 1.9L Investec Coronation Cup OPEN 2423m 57.0
G1 2014 SAINT CLO 4th 3.6L PRIX GD PX OPEN 2400m 58.0

Following being flogged by HIGHLAND REEL in the G1 2015 Hong Kong Vase FLITSHIRE went on to have 5 further starts as a 6yo.

Gary,

Re your comment 

  1. "Evidently, HR went from “nuthin” to “sumthin” in one start."

Hey fair go there Gary dont forget that you have to take into account that Highland Reel had a whole seven or so weeks to make this improvement.

 

Highland Reel – BEFORE and AFTER meeting Winx

15/08/2015 - GRD 1- 2000m   - WON  by 5.2 lens from Closing Belle in U.S

12/09/2015 - GRP 1 - 2000m  - 5th        by 3.8 lens to GOLDEN HORN in Ireland (Track soft)

24/10/2015 - GRP 1 - 2040m  - 3rd        by 5.5 lens to WINX in Australia

13/12/2015 - GRP 1 - 2400m  - WON  by 1.5 lens from FLINTSHIRE in H.K.

To further highlight your stupidity:

  1. The above list shows four starts in four different countries. Not bad for a “nuthin” horse.
  2. HR was a duffer in the wet, having not won (and often finishing rearward) in 7 attempts, which may explain the loss to Golden Horn on 12/09/2015.
  3. With Flintshire favourite in the Vase on 13/12/2015, how does a “nuthin” horse like HR (a) get installed 2nd favourite in the Vase (b) comfortably win that race ...- immediately following a thrashing from Winx?!  
  1. Evidently, HR went from “nuthin” to “sumthin” in one start.

Cheers

PS. If you believe HR was "nuthin", how many lengths did it improve from the Cox Plate to the Vase? 

Great post Gaz. Plenty of highlighting, capitals, multiple question marks and insults. There is something missing though isn't there!

What could it be? Oh yes, a horse's name. The best you can do is to bang on about a horse that won after the event.

You know it Gaz, just come to terms with it.  She beat nuthin' that was any good at the time.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

 

Gladys re your:

"Winx never met or defeated any horse that would have been classed as a standout performer in any era."

AND

Your subsequent comment:

"That was all after the event Gaz. How many times do I have to tell you about reverse engineering on that poor horse."

"That was all after the event" ????????????????

Of course it was after the event dopey, Highland Reel proved his absolute class before, during and after meeting WINX.

Correct me if I am wrong here but the way I see it Highland Reel proved himself to be "standout performer in any era." 

Surely you are NOT going to try to convince us that Highland Reel's incredibly classy performances in the era following his clash with WINX is not or can NOT be inluded as or be defined as an era are you?

Before you proceed any form of retort or further comment Gladys I suggest that you get back to your remedial Enhlish class & have your teacher explain the definition of the words ANY & ERA.

An era can be past present or future, can it NOT?

Or perhaps the actual problem here is Gladys is that you don't really understand what you are trying to say or trying to ask as you are simply more than a little confused.

I hope that your remedial English teachers can help you but I suggest that they are going to need plenty of patience with a DUNCE like you.

That was all after the event Gaz. How many times do I have to tell you about reverse engineering on that poor horse.

It is a bit like finding some kid that when he was ten  hit a five year old Dennis Lillee for six and then spent the rest of his life trying to convince others that he was a star because of that act. When she was beating up those stable mate no hopers you were all crowing that "all the good ones were avoiding her". We know what happened next though don't we. She retired and "all those good ones" got beaten up by nine year olds.

Good horse, best of her pathetic era, beat nuthin'.

Gladys,

You said: "Although being the best of her era in Australia,"

"Winx never met or defeated any horse that would have been classed as a standout performer in any era."

This from Wiki

"Highland Reel (foaled 21 February 2012) is an Irish Thoroughbred racehorse. In a career running from June 2014 to December 2017 he raced in Ireland, Britain, France, the United States, Australia, Hong Kong and Dubai, and recorded seven victories at Group 1 or Grade 1 level in the Secretariat Stakes, Hong Kong Vase (twice), King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes, Breeders' Cup Turf, Coronation Cup and Prince of Wales's Stakes. He was also placed in the Prix du Jockey Club, Cox Plate, International Stakes, Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe and Champion Stakes.

He holds the record for the greatest amount of prize money earned by a racehorse trained in Europe."

WHAT MORE WOULD HIGHLAND REEL HAVE HAD TO DO TO BE CLASSED AS A STANDOUT PERFORMER IN ANY ERA?

 

Great little article there Gaz. That would have had you sobbing your heart out when you cut and pasted that for me. I see the author agrees with me when he or she states that BC was the best of this generation. Hmm..seems not to mention "ever" like you do though.

Whilst we are spruiking little known facts about something that is irrelevant to the topic of this thread, how about me giving you a well known fact about Winx. 

Although being the best of her era in Australia, Winx never met or defeated any horse that would have been classed as a standout performer in any era.

Put the handkerchief down for a minute and focus Gaz. Who did she beat that would counter that argument.

"31 Little-Known Black Caviar Facts"

1. Black Caviar retired unbeaten – 25 starts for 25 wins

2. 24 starts in stakes company for 24 wins

3. Black Caviar collected her 20th straight victory in the Robert Sangster Stakes-G1 at Morphetville on 28 April 2012, beating the previous Australasian record of 19 straight wins set by both Desert Gold (1915-1917) and Gloaming (1919-1921) almost 100 years ago.

4. That 20th victory also broke the modern day international record for the top level of thoroughbred racing set by the brilliant USA-trained mare, Zenyatta, who scored 19 consecutive wins before tasting defeat in her 20th and final start. Black Caviar subsequently made it 21 out of 21 in the Distinctive Homes Goodwood at Morphetville on 12 May.

5. Her total winning margin is 79.7 Lengths

6. Black Caviar was born on 18 August, 2006 at 5.20am

7. Black Caviar was bottle fed as a foal

8. Assigned by Swettenham Stud as Lot 520 at the 2008 Inglis Melbourne Premier Yearling Sale, Black Caviar was purchased by Peter Moody for $210,000

9. Black Caviar’s stable name is Nelly

10. Black Caviar’s height is is 16.2 HH – 5 foot 4.8 inches or 164.6 centimetres

11. Black Caviar weighs approx 570kg

12. Broken in by Brett Cavanough at Albury

13. She is a phenomenon on Twitter and Facebook, with over 70,000 followers

14. Her name was chosen by co-owner Pam Hawkes because Black Caviar’s grand dam (grand mother) was Scandinavia, which is the international hub of Black Caviar

15. Colours of salmon with black dots were designed by co-owner Gary Wilkie’s daughter Shannon (these are now trademarked)

16. She has won in Australia’s capital cities – Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide

17. Black Caviar loves swimming & going to the beach

18. She has an egg in her feed every day

19. She always has first use of the Caulfield track for her work

20. Only once, at her first start, has Black Caviar not started odds-on. She won her debut at $3

21. Her fastest 200m (one furlong) split is 9.98sec between the 600m & 400m in the 2012 Lightning Stakes (her 19th win). She’s the first horse in Australia to break 10secs for a furlong in an official thoroughbred race, giving her a top speed of 72.14km/h or 45.09mph.

22. 15 of her 25 victories have been in Group 1 races, and she has won over five furlongs (1,000 metres) 6 times, six furlongs (1,200 metres) 18 times and seven furlongs (1,400 metres) once.

23. Only two horses have come within a length of her at the post, both times Black Caviar was carrying injury. Stablemate Wanted (subsequent Newmarket Hcp winner same track and distance) went within 0.8 lengths at her first start in Group company in the Danehill Stakes-G2 (1200m) at Flemington in September 2009 after she blundered the start and tore muscles in her chest. She raced only once during the next 57 weeks.  Group 1 winner Moonlight Cloud also came close to beating Black Caviar the Golden Jubilee at Royal Ascot.

24. Black Caviar and Frankel are distant relations on the dam side.

25. Black Caviar’s 21st dam, Prunella (dam of 1804 Epsom Oaks winner Pelisse), is the 18th dam of Frankel.

26. Luke Nolen has been her jockey in all but three of her races, missing only her first two starts (when she was ridden by 16-year-old apprentice Jarrad Noske) and her first Group 1 victory in the Patinack Farm Classic in November 2010 (when Ben Melham was in the saddle as Nolen was suspended).

27. Black Caviar’s dam – Helsinge was unnamed when purchased by Rick Jamison at the Inglis Easter Broodmare Sale, and was first named Oh Billy Oh before changing name to Helsinge.

28. Her odds of $1.04 in the Patinack Farm Classic was the shortest price in a Group 1 race since Valerius started at $1.03 in the 1961 Chipping Norton Stakes.

29. Black Caviar is a fully fledged Victorian:

  • bred by Rick Jamieson, whose Gilgai Farm is located in Nagambie, VIC
  • her sire Bel Esprit stands at Eliza Park, Kerrie VIC
  • her dam is by Desert Sun (GB) who also stands at Eliza Park, Kerrie VIC
  • she was sold at the Inglis Melbourne Premier Yearling Sale
  • she was offered for sale by Swettenham Stud, Nagambie VIC
  • she was purchased by Peter Moody who trains at Caulfield, VIC
  • she is Super VOBIS qualified (Victorian Owners and Breeders Incentive Scheme)
  • she has only raced – and won – on Victorian metropolitan race tracks
  • she has her own blog at racingvictoria.net.au
  • the majority of her owners live in Victoria
  • she has been ridden by 3 Victorian jockeys

30. Her half-sister (by the sire Redoute’s Choice) just sold for 2.6 million Australian dollars at the 2012 Inglis Easter Yearling Sale – a record price for a yearling filly in Australia.

31. Her half-brother (by the sire Redoute’s Choice) sold for $5 million, breaking the previous Australasian record for a horse held by his sister in 2012, at the 2013 Inglis Australian Easter Yearling Sale"

Hey Gladys,

Take a look at Vain, Luskin Star, Manikato, Kingston Town, Atlantic Jewel, none of them EVER had the speed to match Black Caviar's 10secs for a furlong in an official thoroughbred race,

By knocking CHAMPION Black Caviar Gladys has once more displayed herself to be the fool that we all know she is.

BLACK CAVIAR INJURIES 

 However, despite winning 14 Group 1 races in Australia, her best win came at Royal Ascot in 2012. She was all the rage on track when lining up in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes against Europe’s best sprinters.

She endured the 30-hour flight and even wore a compression suit to help with travel sickness. She also faced a track that was much tougher than ones she raced on in Australia.

The Royal Ascot surface is hilly and she found it tough to cope. However, her class was on display and although Luke Nolen almost botched her perfect record, she did enough to hold on for a narrow win.

Months after the race, Black Caviar was found to have suffered multiple injuries during the race. She sustained a grade-four quadriceps tear and a grade-two sacroiliac tear.

The win put her head and shoulders above any sprinter of this generation. She returned to Australia and won three more races before retiring on April 17, 2013.

Speaking of lists Gaz, how is that list going. Have you come up with any names as yet?

Didn't think so. Back to name calling and diversion and talking to yourself I suppose.

Gary,

Re your: "King, I just accepted what Gladys said about Andretti winning Ascot 1200m."

Just add this one to the ongoing list of Gladys' DELUSIONS 

 

You can't name one so you decide to have a discussion with yourself about a totally irrelevant matter.

When you are found out you try to change the topic to another horse and another country.

I have made my point and given you every chance to respond. Like what Winx beat, you have got nuthin'.

King. I just accepted what Gladys said about Andretti winning Ascot 1200m. 

Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense.

Cheers,

Gary

 

Gladys,

You said:

"Miss Andretti, Takeover Target and Choisir all went over there and took on strong fields. She was entered in a race that was weak with the second horse never having won over the distance prior to that race."

Moonlight Cloud could hardly have possesed a stong 1200m record as it had had only ever started once over 1200m.

On this occasion, its one and only start over the distance prior to meeting BC at Ascot GB it was first up after a spell and finished 5th of 16 runners.

Some horses perform well after a spell over 1200m & some do NOT.

However it is interesting to note in support of Gary's theory about 1400m horses being better suited at the 1200m of the Golden Jubilee at Ascot that Moonlight Cloud did in fact win a G3 over 1400m first up from a seven month spell by 2 lengths just prior to running an excellent 2nd to the CHAMPION SPRINTER BLACK CAVIAR.

I think that based on Moonlight Cloud's subsequent Group form following the clash with Black Caviar it is safe to say:

"is it any wonder that this well performed 1400m horse did so well in the Golden Jubilee?"

 

Gary,

You indicated that:

Any 1200m race at Ascot is considered ideal for 1400m horses, because it's a straight course with a brutal climb to the finish. 

I say:

GOOD POINT WELL MADE

In support of this claim Gary I offer the following:

Miss Andretti was a superstar at 1200m, which she proved by winning at this distance at Flemington, Moonee Valley, Caulfield, Ascot WA, Belmont WA & Pinjarra.

When it came to attempting to win over 1400m she failed at both Caulfield & Belmont WA however she did in fact win one race over 1400m in a lowly Cl 6 at Pinjarra.

Given these FACTS it is fair to say that she was NOT a very good 1400m horse but she was a superstar at 1200m on most courses EXCEPT ONE.

I dare say that it is more than a coincidence that this known 1200m superstar who did not perform well over 1400m FAILED MISERABLY in the G1 1200m Golden Jubilee at Ascot GB.

It is more than a coincidence that this 1200m superstar was able blow them away over a 1000m at Ascot GB in the Kings Stand but could NOT repeat the dose over in the 1200m Golden Jubilee.

Why?

The answer is obvious.

She was NOT a well performed 1400m horse & was found wanting up the hill over the gruelling 1200m course.

Gary, 

You said:

"All three Australian horses have form at 1400 or longer. The conditions of the Ascot 1200m gave Moonlight Cloud every conceivable chance."

Obviouslygiven what I said above I strongly disagree that Miss Andretti had "form at 1400 or longer"

However I do agree that:

"The conditions of the Ascot 1200m gave Moonlight Cloud every conceivable chance."

AND

That it takes a strong 1400m type horse to win the Golden Jubilee over 1200m at Ascot GB

 

Use the search function, Parrot.

What a weak reply King Gaz.

I know Hay List is one answer but that is not the question. Just tell me the answer to the question I asked.

Come on King Gaz. Indulge me just this once. Who were the horses, or just one horse that she beat that would have been a top liner in any era.

No diversions, no avoiding, just one name. You can't do it, can you!

All three Australian horses have form at 1400 or longer. The conditions of the Ascot 1200m gave Moonlight Cloud every conceivable chance.

The names of BC&W victims have already been supplied, both in and outside of this thread. Can you use the seach function?.

Gee Garytheking. I never realised that Takeover Target, Choisir and Miss Andretti were really also top milers and even stayers.

After that 1200 at Ascot that really equates to a staying distance in your view, why weren't they considered for the Melbourne Cup?

Names Gaz, give us some names.

Gladys,

The connections of WINX kept her at the supposed Coward's Castle as unlike you they were smart enough to realise that they could win many millions more in Aus without travelling & exposing their champion mare to the potential perils of long term travel induced health problems.

The prize money in Aus is so much better!

"a distance she had never won"

BRUTAL, UPHILL, STRAIGHT course at 1200m. Ideal for 1400m, milers and stayers. I know you're not stupid, so stop pretending you are. 

What a stupid reply Gaztheking.

I don't think the connections of Moonlight Cloud would have been too concerned about a further encounter given what she did over a distance she had never won.

As for Winx, her connections kept her at Coward's Castle beating up stable mates and other no hopers.

The names, where are those names?

Gary,

Re your:

"Do you know why Highland Reel and Moonlight Cloud won so many G1s overseas?

They never had to run into Black Caviar and Winx".

I SAY GOOD POINT WELL MADE

Theking, he thinks that you and me are the same person.

Do you know why Highland Reel and Moonlight Cloud won so many G1s overseas?

They never had to run into Black Caviar and Winx.

 

That is where we differ Gary. I have watched horse racing since a child in the sixties and have seen wonderful horses all through the decades. About the only comparison one would hear would be something like "best since Phar Lap" or "best since Tulloch" but said without much conviction as each era was different, different tracks, different conditions, handicaps were handicaps not compressed weights or equal weights with penalties as they are today.

What really annoys me in today's racing is the likes of clowns like yourself. Instead of just enjoying the era and accepting that we are rock bottom in wfa racing, you have to crow on about how great Winx is or was. I accept she was a fine horse and the best of her era but accept she beat nothing of note. People such as yourself cannot accept that and the only way you justify your view is to rubbish all who have come before. Your stupid flag waving and sobbing, interviewing the jockey's wife and kids,having people arrive by driving up the track in an open car makes me want to vomit.

Winx was a great horse, so was Black Caviar. They beat nothing. Your ridiculous post by comparing all previous champions to Hay List and Hartnell concedes that they both raced against mediocre at best, which is flattering to say the least, competition.

I suggest you sit down, have a sob as you watch reruns of Invictus Prince being just beaten and do some of your stupid ratings.

I notice over the many months I have replied to your stupid posts, none of your followers have bothered to support you. I suppose that is the reason you needed to invent your alias The King.

If I am wrong, give us the names of the horses she beat that would have been competitive in any era.

 

A fine list. They would have been the Hay Lists and Hartnells of the supersonic era.

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What an extraordinary post even by your low standards Garytheking. I recall watching the great Might and Power do an exhibition gallop between races in Sydney years back. It was just him and a stablemate and he ran the final 600 metres in a touch over 32. I recall reading an interview a few days later with Alan Denham who stated that not much could be read into that time as there was no pressure. I also recall Lee Freedman talking about Super Impose and his powerful finishes in the two Sydney mile races. He stated that Super Impose could not do that when facing Vo Rogue as the pressure the latter produced just "sucked the sprint right out of him".

Winx never faced that, just a procession of stable hacks and no hopers. Any reasonable horse that was sound would have flogged those no hopers. You know that. That is the reason you resort to insults and diversions as you cannot name just one decent horse who would have been a stand out in any era.

To describe our horses of yesteryear as being in a "prehistoric era" is a sad reflection on you. When things get back to normal I think your calling would be as a stand up comedian at race functions. You could wear your crown, big shoes, a flower that squirts water and spruik that all our champions of past era were prehistoric and no match for these two. You would have them in the aisles with laughter. Whilst they were rolling about you could name all the good horses that Winx beat. You would be a sensation.

Vain, Luskin Star, Manikato, Kingston Town, Atlantic Jewel, none of them had any acceleration did they you disrepectful little toad.

I'm not talking about gross times.

Compare the sectionals. The answer will set you free. The acceleration that Caviar and Winx had did not exist in the prehistoric era. .

Come on Gaztheking. Give us that list again as I can't find it.

Name those horses that Winx beat that would have been a top liner in any era. I recall you had lots of names like "daylight" but cannot recall any actual horses being named.

Invictus Prince, Red Excitement maybe?

When you get in a lather you seem to bounce between personalities and identities very quickly, don't you Garytheking.

Sectionals mean nothing as to how talented a horse may be. Most horses can unleash a fast time, just have a look at the horses that hold track and race records.

As to all that misty eyed tripe about Black Caviar racing uphills whilst severely injured to beat a champion is just unbelievable.

Miss Andretti, Takeover Target and Choisir all went over there and took on strong fields. She was entered in a race that was weak with the second horse never having won over the distance prior to that race. Who cares what happened after that race. That is just a bit more of the Highland Reel reverse engineering.

As to injury, the only one she suffered from over there was Regumate withdrawal. A different horse when she wasn't tanked up on that little additive.

As I said, abuse, name calling, diversion and arguing irrelevant points is all you have got because you know, just as I do, she beat nuthin'.

King, re your:

"So, If Black Caviar's overseas sojourn meant absolutely nothing to you, why blather on about Winx needing to race overseas to prove itself?"

WELL DONE, GARY, POINT WELL MADE!

More delusions from Gladys.

As if WINX could NOT have won a multitude of Grp1s overseas.

 

Compare the sectionals. The answer will set you free.

No Gary. The champs of yesteryear were never as fortunate as these two as to be able to compete against stable hacks and total no hopers.

The only thing warped is your logic.

That question has alredy been answered.

These two beasts travelled at warp speed. The champs of yesteryear never encountered anything like them. 

It seems neither of your personalities slept too well last night Garythe king.

As much as I would like to correct your inverted logic once again I won't rise to the bait.

Name calling, diversions, accusations are all you have. I know when you resort to these tactics you have no justifiable argument.

Who did Winx beat that you consider to be a top liner in any era.

Silence, crickey sounds....nothing else. Must be a slow day in the ward.

Gladys,

So Black Caviar beat duds as well?

Any 1200m race at Ascot is considered ideal for 1400m horses and milers, because it's a straight course with a brutal climb to the finish. 

Yet Black Caviar, which had only ONCE raced  over 1400m, managed to hold off Moonlight cloud. despite breaking down in the run, despite being eased down before the line, despite the journey being unsuitable for sprinters,

And it beat Moonlight Cloud, which went on to win a Grp1 at its following start and many more Grp1s thereafter!

So, If Black Caviar's overseas sojourn meant absolutely nothing to you, why blather on about Winx needing to race overseas to prove itself?

If I ever run a book on who is the biggest forum dud of all time, you will be installed as odds-on favouritie. 

Idjut.

 

Gladys, you say Black Caviar "raced duds" (at Ascot)

What a deluded dunce you are.

Moonlight Dancer who ran 2nd to Black Caviar at Ascot had already proven itself to be a quality horse prior to their meeting and continued to display exceptional Group form in its subsequent racing career.

It is Not surprising to me that you are once again displaying the natural talent of a DELUDED M00R0N.

We can now just simply add this one to the following list of delusions you have been responsible for posting in the past:

SOME OF GLADY'S DELUSIONS

1. Moonlight Dancer was a dud 

2. Criterion almost going over the running rail in a Cox Plate

3. Massive checks to Highland Reel in a Cox Plate

4. Makybe Diva winning the Turnbull Stakes in course record time,

5. Manikato was a Champion Sprinter / Miler when clearly based on historical FACT he was only ever pretty much a one trick pony.

6. Oh & lets not forget "Gary & theking" are the same person!

etc, etc..... the list goes on

Gladys, you have been made a fool of so many times by YOUR KING I am suprised that you keep coming back time and time again for further justified ridicule.

Gladys what a delusional goose you are.

 

Nothing strange about it at all Gary.

They all faced competition and took on challenges. BC at least went to Ascot albeit raced duds whilst Winx, well how many times do you have to be told before it permeates your thick skull.

Glad hysterical,

Strange how you appreciated every "champion" that came along, from Kingston Town right up until Makybe Diva but did NOT rate Black Caviar or Winx.

idjut

Contact admin Gladys and if you are proven correct, I'll also give you a million dollars, no on second thought better make that fivehundred thousand each from both Gary and I.

Thats only fair as afterall as you know Gary and I do everything together.

Idiot.

Contact admin Gladys and if you are proven correct, I'll give you a million dollars.

Idiot.

That is a very happy story Gary or are you TheKlown today.

I imagine after you waved your Winx flag and had a goodhearted sob the nurses came and took you back to your ward and gave you your meds.

WINX Stakes day, oh what a wonderful day we had full of joy and hapiness much of which was spent reminiscing about the deeds of the GREATEST thoroughbred to have ever raced in Australia or possibly even the best the world has ever seen. 

Oh what a fun day we had with me dressed in my ROYAL BLUE mantle with the WHITE M once again and my little page once again dressed in his pedominately blue satin outfit with the white M in an extremely cute attempt to impersinate Mr Hughey.

Oh how the elderly women loved him, some of who wanted to give him a little peck on the cheek or others who simply wanted to get a selfie with him,

What great fun, it was just like revisiting the glory days when WINX dominated season after season.

The only down side to our day was that my page now a little older and a whole lot chubier grisled a bit all afternoon as he insisted that the elastic was now way to tight around his waist.

Bu his grisle soon turned to a great big smile when Gary brought out the big blue iced cake with the white M.

How we all cheered when Gary at his best (what a card) spun the cake around the opposite way and declared that it was not an M but it was a great big W standing for Winx.

Oh what a joyful day we had even my little page got in the act and stuck his little Winx flag into the cake before we cut it.

We were all overcome with this one totally spontaneous act of cuteness which saw a grisly little face turn in an instance into the most elated smile that anyone has ever seen.

A day of absolute adulation for Winx was had by al our party and also for many onlookers, oh how we enjoyed the day.

We all feel oh so sorry for you Gladys.

We feel its such a shame that you are such a boring WINX grinch!

You poor thing, you have missed out on so much joy.

 

Yes Rex he still is here.

Unfortunately he has morphed into two personalities and has trouble remembering whether his name is Gary or TheKlown.

The two personalities like to confer with each other at every opportunity. Gary achieves this quite easily by talking directly into his mirror.

I see this weekend will bring back happy memories for you and the dual personality clown with the Winx Stakes being run.

Oh those wonderful memories of a mare full of Regumate getting 2kgs taking on several aged stayers having their first start in a preparation. If that is not enough there is usually a couple of non tryers from some no account stable with the strict stipulation that the field should not exceed seven starters. 

After the guard of honour is completed then the mandatory sob from the sycophants completes the whole debacle.

Wonderful, wonderful memories.

Rex

Is this imbecile still here? get a life ya tool

Theking is far more knowledgeable about racing than I am, or ever will be. He only recently came to the forum after making contributions on another R & S medium (Newsgroup..?).

If you can't see the difference betweein Northerly and Winx, how could I expect you to see the difference between Theking and me. The picture is now complete. Your Master's Degree in stupidity has been framed and despatched.. 

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

Get some help Gaz.

Gary, he thinks that you and me are the same person.

Yeah & he also thinks that MANIKATO was a brilliant sprinter/miler because Wiki said so.Relying on simply regurgitating whatever Wiki says proves her/him to be totally incapable of having the basic ability to formulate and express an original tought or opinion..

It would appear that based on her latest ridiculous insistance regarding our collective abilty to speed post she must now find herself in some sort of a timewarp or parallel universe.

In any case nothing would surprise me any more in regard to the foolishness she posts eg.  She once accused me of posting something  and then saying something such as nice trick King the way you posted that but was able to get back on here in a flash and change it to say something else.

But the question here is Gladys, was it theking who got back on and changed that post or was it that speedy King Gary?

You have got to watch him you know he is a speedy little character.

And once again Gladys, you become an abject failure at analyses.of any sort. Look below at the history.

At 11.28 pm I posted a suggestion that you look at an aged post containing a list of 20 horses that Winx has beaten.

After the post was processed and accepted, I evidently logged out as Gary Still, logged back in as Theking, accessed the forum portal, clicked the relevant thread, wrote a list of eight horses, ensuring that the spelling and formats were correct, and then posted this list at 11.30 pm.

Despite how slow the forum can be, all of this was achieved within a recordbreaking timeframe of 2 minutes.

Nice work Sherlock.

Now you are talking to yourself. When you were in your King guise you admitted you were one and the same.

When all is hopeless just create a distraction is your motto Gary.

Gladys,

Look at theking's post at 11.21 pm, where he refers to a list of horses.

Without seeing theking's post I chimed in at 11.28 pm suggesting that you look up a list of 20 that I had put up some time ago. 

Theking then posted at 11.30 pm (9 minutes after his original post) with the list that he had referred to in his 11.21pm post. 

I'll give you one chance to at least get one thing right in this train wreck of a thread that you have created.

 

Theking, he thinks that you and me are the same person.

Gladys,

You say that you will refrain from further comments.

Does this mean that you have simply run out of info to plagiarize and present straight from:

Manikato

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia?

I can't help but notice the four consecutive posts and the time of each posting.

I will refrain from further comments.

I think you should seek some professional help Gaz.

MANIKATO THE MYTHICAL MILER

How about listing all these MILE races he won and all of the ones he was beaten in.

He was beaten in far more than he won!

He should be known as MANIKATO THE MISERABLE MILER

Gladys,

Re your: "attempt to denigrate perhaps the greatest sprinter/miler of his era."

Nobody is attempting to denigrate MANIKATO as supposedly "the greatest sprinter/miler of his era."

NO we don't need to denigrate him as history will support the FACT that he denigrates himself with his POOR record over the sprint and mile distances as follows:

G1 3yo & upwards WFA or G1 open handicap wins over the following distances:

1000m = nil wins

1200m = nil wins

1600m = nil wins

Seriously is that the record of a GREAT sprinter miler?

Sorry lawyer but I think your sentimental blubbering tears are getting in the way of seeng the FACTS of MANIKATO's actual record as a sprinter/miler.

You would have to be the dopiest lawyer that ever lived!

 

When it gets tough revert to your other identity Gaz. Usually I don't respond "attempt to denigrate perhaps the greatest sprinter/miler of his era."

sprinter/miler ????

Sprinter??? he never won an open company group 1 race either WFA or hcp over the classic 1200m SPRINT distance!

He only ever won one G2 mile race, no other Group wins either hcp or WFA over a mile.

"third in a Doncaster"????

Tell me more about this great miler's wins rather than its defeats!

"won the Rothmans Hundred Thousand (The Doomben 10,000), a Group One Handicap in those days," 

NO IT WASN'T 

He was a bum as a sprinter (1200m) and an even bigger bum as a miler (1600m) his record proves this.

On this basis of FACTS you must be the dumbest lawyer that ever was!

Aren't lawyers supposed to deal in FACTS?

 

When it gets tough revert to your other identity Gaz. Usually I don't respond when you change names but as you are incapable of answering my question and resort to identity changes I will give you something to ponder given your veiled attempt to denigrate perhaps the greatest sprinter/miler of his era.

Which of those horses contested and came third in a Doncaster as a three year old carrying 57.5kg, a weight carrying record being 3.5kg more than Tontonan a former three year old champion who previously held the record.

When that does your stupid head in consider this. Which of those horses named contested and won the Rothmans Hundred Thousand (The Doomben 10,000), a Group One Handicap in those days, carried 58kg and equalled Baguettes weight carrying record for a three year old.

To denigrate a champion horse like Manikato just to deflect your inability to answer a question just about sums you up.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin' but gave the press something to write about because there was nuthin' else happening. 

Kingston Town

Makybe Diva

Manikato

Might & Power

Northerly

Saintly

Sunline

Winx

Look up the list I suppied a year ago - 20 good horses beaten by Winx and 10 by Black Caviar. 

 

Loook at this list of past greats shown in alphabetical order.

One of these horses is the odd one out.

Answer the following five questions and it will soon become apparent just which horse should NOT be listed in this elite list.

(I dare say that even a lawyer could answer these)

1. Which horses won at least one major G1 handicap race?

2. Which horses won at least one Cox Plate?

3. Which of these horses won at least one major G1 handicap & at least one Cox Plate?

4. Which horse did NOT win at least one major G1 handicap race?

5. Which horse did NOT win at least one Cox Plate?

Oh and BTW lawyer, this is NOT an attempt to denigrate a particular horse; these are simply the FACTS.

I have been given no names except one by an idiot.

Lets hear your names.

You have been given many names, many times, by many posters. And each time, your rebuttal is silent. You ask questions, but give no answers. Pretend you're a lawyer and do some research to find the numerous answers given on this thread.

After you've done that, find the sectionals that Sunline and Northerly used to run, and stack the figures up against Winx. it will blow your mind, if you have one. 

 

 

Yes Gaz. I am sure.

I am also sure you cannot give us any names as there are none.

Are you sure you're a lawyer?

What has my occupation got to do with naming horses Gaz?

You have really got yourself into a terrible tangle Gaz!

Who did she beat that would be regarded as a top quality wfa horse Gaz?

Who did she run down that would be regarded as a top quality wfa horse Gaz.

Are you sure you're a lawyer??

Then really shoot my argument to bits by answering my two questions Gaz.

Name the horses instead of ridiculing me and denigrating our former champions who did compete against quality horses. 

Name the quality horses she beat instead of hurling abuse Gaz.

When you write garbage like "No more from me. I have proven my point.", the reply is warranted. You haven't proven a damn thing. 

So much crap from you, but probably your most ridiculous premise is that First Seal and several others prematurely retired or lost form, allowing Winx to become the world champion. The inference being, of course, that this entire group of elite Australian horses, which retired early or lost form, would have surpassed Winx in Longines World champion ratings. 

Other moronic statements made by you, off the top of my head..

Sunline and Northerly could have missed the start by 4 lengths at 1400 metres and run a sub 32 second last 600m.

Every single horse was interfered with in 2015 Cox Plate, allowing Winx to coast to victory.

.

 

You are just too stupid to even warrant a reply.

You have certainly lost it over this one Gary.

This is the sum total of Pancake Kato's Group 1 wins.

1979 STC George Ryder Stakes G1 1400m
1980 STC George Ryder Stakes G1 1400m
1980 VATC Futurity Stakes G1 1400m
1981 VATC Futurity Stakes G1 1400m
1983 VATC Futurity Stakes G1 1400m

If WINX is NOT around then Happy Clapper achieves a far superior record.

His current Group wins (let alone placings) currently are:

2017

ATC Epsom Handicap

G1

1600m

2018

ATC Canterbury Stakes

G1

1300m

2018

ATC Doncaster Handicap

G1

1600m

2015

ATC Villiers Stakes

G2

1600m

2017

Tatt's Tramway Handicap

G2

1400m

2017

NJC Newmarket Handicap

G3

1400m

2019

ATC Craven Plate

G3

2000m

If not running 2nd to WINX on many occasions his record would then presumably have the addition of the following Group wins:

G1 Chipping Norton

G1 George Ryder

G1 Optimo White Stakes

G1 Doncaster

G2 Apollo Stakes

That would then have been a total of 7/G1 wins,  3/G2 wins,  2/G3 wins

 

The only thing you've proven is that when you fall flat on your face, you hit the ground hard!

Yes I do. They would have both flogged Invictus Prince and Spirit Jim and ninety five per cent of the other no hopers she beat.

You just can't bring yourself to face the fact that she neither did she beat or storm home to beat anything of quality.

No more from me. I have proven my point.

Good horse, best of dreadful era, beat nothin'!

 

World-beaters, Freemason and Dandy Andy. Remember them?

If Winx was not around then who were our top wfa horses between say 2015 to 2019 Gary?

If you are able to name any would they have been standout horses in any era?

Let me get you started. Invictus Prince, Sons of John, Spirit Jim?

Deflect that one with some childish name calling because you have nothing else.

To suggest that two champions were invincible because the standard of racing suddenly dropped is downright stupid. You said you had a basis of measuring such standards. Where is it?

If a grade cricketer goes down to the local park and flogs the bowlers from the local pub team, would you then refer to him as a champion, the best in Australian history and the greatest cricketer in the world?

I posed two simple questions to you and all you can do is attack me personally because you do not have an answer.

Leave your opinion of me aside for one moment and attack the questions that were posed. You can't. That is why you resort to personal attacks and slurs of former greats who did race against quality horses, not stablemates, duds and handicappers.

Come on Gary. Just give us all the answer.

 

Strangely, you appreciated every "champion" that came along, from Kingston Town right up until Makybe Diva.

I would never waste a fine wine on you. You appreciate good, but you have no idea about great.  

Silly, childish name calling. That is your response Gary because that is all you have got.

I guess it would be better to be one eyed then to be blind in both.

Beauty is in the one-eye of the beholder. . 

More blather from you because you cannot name one horse.

If her era was the greatest in Australian racing history how come you can only name her and no other horse that was any good.

Your replies and mis truths give a fair indication of your character.

Good horse, best of an one horse era, beat nothin' or if she did, Gary can't remember their names.

No sobbing here, One-eye. It was you that laid them both relentlessly, and it was you that was praying for a miracle to see them beaten. It didn't happen and you've been venting ever since.

You and your other identity have nothing but insults and deflections.

You have got nothing, not one name, just nothing.

Go back to sobbing at reruns of Invictus Prince and Red Excitement being beaten.

No Gary, NOT one eyed I am sure that you will agree with the Royal Decree from King Gary that Gladys is far more suited to being dubbed No eyedea. 

This title is so apt for a person who is continually regurgitating delusions such as Criterion almost going over the running rail, massive checks to Highland Reeel, Makybe Diva winning the Turnbull Stakes in course record time, Manikato the onre trick pony as having been some sort of immortal superstar (look at some of the duds that beat him), as well as massive delusions of grandeur about herself.

And the most delusional one of all is that Winx (even the Yanks aknowledged her greatnes) beat nuthin ha, ha, haaa, what a delusional boofhead you are Gladys, like I said you have No eyedea.

 

One-eyed - there's your name.

A name Gary, just one name.

I see you have become your other self in an attempt to deflect this question.

Come on Gaz, a name.

Gladys,

These are the facts about your idol & supposed GREAT of yesteryear.

MANIKATO was a great horse when he was beating up on the little kids as a 2yo & 3yo at set weights

BUT

The reality is that he later developed into pretty much a one trick pony as his only G1 wins were all 1400m at WFA.

He never won a G1 race over 1200m 3yo & upwards at WFA.

He never a G1 race over 1600m 3yo & upwards at WFA.

He proved to be a dud as a handicapper and never won a G1 handicap race.

Why was it that we never saw him in a Oakleigh Plate or a NEWMARKET.

Was it because he was running scared of Razor Sharp who won the NEWMARKET in 82 & 83 when pancake Kato was in his prime?

Weight didn't stop Razor Sharp winning his second NEWMARKET hcp with 58.5kg or even the GREAT Black Caviar lumping 58 kg to win her NEWMARKET hcp.

You are a one-eyed racing supporter who couldnt bear to watch his idols dethroned.  As a consequence you missed the greatest ever era of Australian horseracing. 

When Winx won her first Cox Plate your defence was that she was unproven until she won another. By the time she won her fourth, the argument became that the racing standard was the weakest ever.

One-eyed, one dimensional and one of a kind. Strewth!

 

Yes Gary, they were mighty horses. I also recall that no one would have any problem naming their respective contemporaries who were also very good.

I also recall we did not have sobbing sycophants declaring that any of those horses were the greatest of all time. They were declared the best of their era, as it should be.

Now we have people like your good self lecturing anyone that has the temerity to disagree with your infallible opinion.

So Gary, name the horse in relation to either question and resist the urge to giving another sermon.

Good horse, best of HER era, sadly beat nuthin'!

Like some footy supporterss, Gladys, you are one-eyed. 

It wouldn't have mattered what BC & W achieved, you would never have conceded they were superor to past champions.. You have not moved on - and you never will. 

I appreciated Kingston Town, Might and Power, Sunline, Northerly, Makybe Diva, So You Think, AT THAT TIME. The debate would inevitably rage between the fans about who was the best. 

Along came two horses, the likes of which have never been seen. All of Australia celebrated every single run of their phenomenal careers. All except one-eyed cynics like you. 

 

 

Come on Gary. Don't try and turn this into a "Winx was better than MD" or resort to denigrating our former champions so you can avois answering those two questions I asked.

All those former champions competed against quality opposition. Have a look at the long list of quality horses Manikato defeated. I provided that list for you months ago and you carefully avoided any comment.

Come on Gaz, just tell us one name, one name to either question. Your alter ego King will come back with Chautauqua and if so, perhaps he might like to provided that horses credentials over 1500 metres.

You have got nothing Gaz, just spreadsheets, stats that mean nuthin' and insults.

Good horse, best of woeful era, beat nuthin'

Just one name, just one, to either of the two questions Gary.

MD holds the course record at Flemington in 1.58.

No spreadsheets, stats, opinions or insults, just give us a name.

Good horse....you know the rest.

OK Gladys,

You wanted it, I have taken your advice and changed into my alter ego KING OUTFIT but as usual be prepared for some pain when the KING does his research, boy oh boy you really are a glutton for punishment.

You wrote:

"Have a look at her 2005 Turnbull in 1.58 if you get a chance. As times are your only basis as you can't name one horse, she would not have got within 6 lengths of MK."

1:58???????

I have checked on a number of different sites ( Racing Australia Registered race history, Horse racing Nation, Racing and Sports etc.....)

AND

What is common to all is that the 2005 Turnbull Stakes was run in 2:01.57 not 1:58 as stated by you.

 

You said that Winx could never get close to Makybe Diva because Makybe was able to run a fast 1.58.

I then presented a spreadsheet showing Winx's Cox Plate wins, which were the fastest EVER and superior to So You Think, Makybe Diva, Northerly, Sunline and Might & Power.

You are left floundering once again. 

 

Quote all the stats, times, insults et al Gary.

How about quoting the name of one good horse she beat that would have been a standout in any era.

If that is impossible try naming a good wfa horse she stormed home to beat.

Just one Gary, just one.

Good horse, best of her woefull era, beat nuthin'!

If you really want to throw GROSS times in the mix, throw yourself into these Cox Plate times and using YOUR basis of gross times analysis, explain why she could not get "within 6 lengths of MK"

1998 Might and Power           2.03.54

1999 Sunline                           2.05.40

2000 Sunline                           2.07.70

2001 Northerly                        2.05.40

2002 Northerly                        2.06.27

2005 Makybe Diva                 2.09.27

2009 So You Think                 2.03.98

2014 Adelaide                        2.03.76

2015 Winx                              2.02.98

2016 Winx                              2.06.35

2017 Winx                              2.02.94

2018 Winx                              2.03.47

2019 Lys Gracieux                  2.04.21

A fast gross time is created by a fast pace. Backmarkers have no say in how fast a race is run. All four past the post probably ran 1.58 something. So what?

Where in my previous posts have I mentioned GROSS time?

 

Well said Gary. Even with this "whirl wind" finish she would not have got near Makybe Diva if times are your basis.

Have a look at her 2005 Turnbull in 1.58 if you get a chance. As times are your only basis as you can't name one horse, she would not have got within 6 lengths of MK.

Still sure you want to rely on times as your proof.

Name one horse that she beat that would have been a standout in a previous era please. Name the good horses she "stormed home" to beat

Good horse, best of a very weak era, beat nuthin'

"Times mean nothing when you beat nothing"  You are a master at making vacuous observations.

Winx came from impossible positions and ran incredible sectionals that past champs could never achieve. The turn of foot shown by Winx and Black Caviar sets a new benchmark for true champions. Enjoy your fond recollection of your past idols, but get your head out of the sand and learn to cope wtih their limitations, without ludicrously suggesting they could have withstood these two whirlwind finishers.

Yes Gary. Avoid the question.

You have no answer because there is none.

Times mean nothing when you beat nothing.

About time you found a phone box and changed into your King outfit.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

Look up her sectionals and compare them to the greats of the past.

I could not care less who you want to agree with Gary. Of course you would agree with anyone who you think supports your view.

Now, what about naming that horse. Was it Spirit Jim, Foxtale, Red Excitement, perhaps Invictus Prince? Perhaps it is one of those stablemates that she towelled endlessly in the Guard of Honour Stakes.

What about the Regumate question Gary? Instead of highlighting, underlining, name calling and quoting sources that you think support your views, how about answering that one?

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

 

You brought up the names of three highly credible authorities who said the exact opposite of what you imagined! I'll take their views over yours, any day of the century.

Gary, this is just more of the rehashed, recycled tripe you peddled out a year or so back and which I answered.

Just to help you understand, perhaps you might like to tell me a trainer in the history of Australian horse racing that has ever demeaned another trainer's horse. They all talk up the opposition as a matter of course. Do you ever hear a football or cricket trainer or coach referring to the opposition as inferior? Of course not.

Instead of all this quoting and underlining and highlighting, instead of all this declaring victory in your stupid arguments, just do this;

Name the horse that she beat, any horse, that would have been dominant in any other era. You know, the ones tthat would have beaten Sunline, Northerly, Might and Power, Manikato. Name just one. She raced in an era of duds. When she left the scene the nine year olds took over. Remember, those poor nine year olds that had not won for years came out and flogged the hapless duds she was beating.

Good horse, best of her hopeless era, beat nuthin'. If she did, name just one!

 

Gladys,

I've never once heard a decent rebuttal from you. I'll give you another go at responding to this classic..

You said; "if you had David Hayes, Gai Waterhouse and James Cummings together and posed the question (whether any members of their family) ever had a horse that could get near Winx or. Black Caviar. I think the three of them would have too much class to even answer that question, but their individual facial expressions would be priceless."

 You obviously have great respect for these three trainers, but unfortunately Gladys, they completely shat on your beliefs. Here is what they actually said – 

James Cummings - “We’ll steer him (Hartnell) into races where he’s not chasing home a ghost” (July 10th, 2017 – When Winx had only 17 wins and 2 Cox Plates). 


David Hayes - “Dulcify and Better Loosen Up, would fall short of all-conquering Winx (who has a) remarkable ability to put races away "in a matter of metres"...."Under the right conditions Winx is the superior one over Sunline, Dulcify, Better Loosen Up and Kingston Town," (Oct 24th, 2017 – When Winx had only 21 wins and 2 Cox Plates). 


Gai Waterhouse - “Winx is so ‘dash good’, she is a remarkable mare,’’ Her record and her numbers (statistics) are mind-boggling. “She is as good as I have seen in Australia, right up there with Kingston Town and Black Caviar.’’ (March 2nd, 2018 – When Winx had only 22 wins and 3 Cox Plates).

If thats what they thought back then, imagine what they think now. Your illustrious trio of trainers comprehensively disagree with you Gladys. Game, Set, Match.

It would seem your remedial reading classes were an absolute waste of time Gary. I don't really see where I have ever conceded that she was brilliant. She was the best of her hopeless era, that is all. You seem to get caught out quite a bit with your fabrications, don't you.

Now perhaps you could have a read of those two opinions I posted and honour us all with your comment. I know it will be hard, but no making up points, no twisting the question, just answer those observations.

You can't can you. You know she just beat duds but you can't accept that.

The truth will set you free Gary. Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

Gladys,

She may not become a great broodmare, but finally, you accept what a brilliant racehorse she was! Well done.

 

Yoo Hoo Gary. I read these two pieces online and would love to hear your views on these two writers' comments;

"Winx gained a huge advantage being on Regumate, just like Black Caviar. When mares are on it, it changes their hormone balance. It slows the production of estrogen and increases testosterone production hence why these mares are so bulky and colt like. Over a long period of time they become more robust and exude male tendencies. This is also the reason why I believe many of these freakish mares can’t produce at stud because they express too much of the male hormone and produce inferior animals. They are not good brood mares! Get your hands on a lightly raced mare with minimal Regumate usage through their career and you have yourself a mare with stronger female hormones which in my opinion produces far better progeny.

You watch Winx, I’m betting she doesn’t produce anything special just as Black Caviar hasn’t and the list goes on and on."

Or perhaps this one;

"...not to mentionher 2kg WFA advantage and the fact that she got to bash up stablemates, bags of bones and a couple of out of form overseas horses".

Do you think these people have a valid point or are they just like me and should have their views totally dismissed if they don't fall into line with your superior knowledge?

 

With those low fields she beat I think it would have been whatever distance the jockey felt like putting on them.

They would not have got out of first gear flogging those no hopers.

Tell me, whilst you are avoiding the question I have asked for several years, why was Alligator Blood disqualified. Has any other horse(s) that you know used that without having any issues? How come it is banned almost everywhere?

What does a "towelling" mean?

3 lengths, 4 lengths, 6 lengths?

You are just boring and evasive Gary. You can nit pick, underline, highlight, name call, in fact you can do everything but name one horse that she beat that would have been a standout in any other era.

Running down Red Excitement and Foxplay, beating Huraki, outsprinting Invictus Prince. What golden memories.

Good horse, best of a very poor era, beat nuthin'!

What does a "towelling" mean?

3 lengths, 4 lengths, 6 lengths?

 

 

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Nothing would beat him under those circumstances. They struggled even when they jumped on terms.

However this is not Manikato we are talking about. The horse that was leading was a benchmark horse that any decent horse would have run down.

Any of the better horses of yesteryear could have given that field four lengths and a towelling.

You can use all the comparisons and quotes and underlining and abuse you like Gary. The simple fact is she was a good horse who beat nuthin'.

So you have the balls to tell me that Winx would fail if she missed the start by 4 lengths, Manikato led at breakneck speed and the race distance was a mere 1400 metres.

Maybe you can tell me which of your past champions could beat Manikato under those circumstances?

Using your inverted logic based on times Gary, then I imagine you would rate Kingston Rule as the greatest two mile stayer in Melbourne Cup history because of the race record and that Belle De Jour would have flogged Vain as she blew the start by lengths and still won.

Have a look at the race through dry eyes and you will see that the leading horse crawled giving her every opportunity to come home in fast time. If that was Sunline or Northerly or God forbid, Manikato leading in that race after she missed the start it would have been 10 lengths instead of four.

She just reeled in a dud. Any horse that was above average would have done exactly the same.

So name the good horses she beat that would not have been towelled by any good horse of the past.

Good horse, best of an hopeless era, beat nuthin'!

As usual, you can't deal with rebuttals. 

What a pathetic reply. My professional life has nothing to do with my opinion about horses especially overhyped ones.

You can underline and highlight all you like, you can abuse me all you like but one thing you cannot do is name one, just one, good horse that Winx beat that would not have been towelled by all of the good horses of yesterday.

Go back to the rocking horse Gary and have another howl.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

"Might and Power ran 32 in an exhibition gallop"  A leisurely EXHIBITION GALLOP?  You compare M&P's 32 second sectional with that of Winx who blew the start, hiked at top speed for most of the journey and still scorched home in 31.88?.

"If a horse was just cantering behind a mob of no hopers then it could easily reel off a quick final 600 metres" Exactly! Unlike Winx, M&P was indeed cantering! Is this how you represent your clients in court?! 

 

 

Probably could Gary. I don't know and neither do you.

Who cares about that time. I saw Might and Power run 32 in an exhibition gallop between races at Rosehill on a Saturday back in the 1990s. Final Card ran 1.8 down the Flemington 1200. So what! Have a look at the record holders over the various distances at each racecourse. Not many stars are there.

If a horse was up front and leading at a decent pace it would have trouble running a very quick final 600 I would think. If a horse was just cantering behind a mob of no hopers then it could easily reel off a quick final 600 metres.

You come up with all these stupid observations and comments to mask your problem. You can't name a decent horse that she beat because she beat nuthin'.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'!

Could Northerly and Sunline miss the start by 4 lengths (as in the Auraria) and run the last 600m in 31.88?

.

Of course they got beaten Gary. They did not limit their races to pet distances and competing against stable mates. That is the whole point that you cannot get into your thick head.

If they faced up to the tripe that Winx beat their record would have been as good. They didn't though. They took on competition.

Remind us all again about Winx winning a Caulfield Cup and then coming back and winning a Cox Plate. Remind us all again as to which stable mates of Sunlline or Northerly set up the pace for them to win.

Now go back on get on your model horse with the rockers and have another sob.

Sunline and Northerly suffered over a dozen defeats each!

Nah, there's no way Winx would have beaten them, but a helluva lot of other horses did!

 

I did not sulk at any time Gary. I did feel quite sad however to see the appalling lack of class in our weight for age ranks in the races she contested.

The races were contested by handicappers running over unsuitable distances with the majority of the competitiors all coming from her stable. Just what do you think the riding instructions would have been to those jockeys. I can tell you. "Just set up a bit of a pace boys, give her plenty of room and then keep right out of her road"

I will give her credit for keeping sound however. That is all she would have had to do to beat those no hopers that she raced.

What do you think Sunline or Northerly, or for that matter any number of horses from past eras would have done if they had raced in those hand picked races against that hopeless lot that she faced. If you need evidence of how hopeless the opposition was that she faced just have a look at who won afteer she retired. Nine year ol, one hadn't won for several years.

Good horse, kept sound, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'.

 

Sobbing? Each time it won, I celebrated while you sulked!

You said you had a means of comparing one era with another. Where is it?

 

 

You will be in for a long wait if you are waiting for that list Khap. All you will get is the hysterical run down of what Highland Reel did later in his career applied retrospectively in an attempt to give some credibility.

What has caught my eye during the week is that a company is going to make scale models of Winx for sale at about $79 each. I understand that the maker has to pay connections for this right and is also going to make a donation of about $1 to the charity of choice of the connections.

Maybe Gary can purchase one of these models and add some rockers to the legs. He can then sit on his model sobbing away whilst reliving those glory days of yore when she had Group One success against the llikes of Huraki, Grand Marshall, Vanburgh, Spirit Jim and Great Esteem. I think that may have been in a George Ryder. Nothing like a Bench Mark 70 as a Group One.

Good horse, best of her hopeless era, beat absolutely nuthin'

Good god Count Chivas is back.Wonder where The Commissioner is, will he jump out soon ? 

I see another dud that Winx beat is still walking around as slowly as ever, that is Invctus Prince. It ran 4th in a Class 4 at the Gold Coast 10 days ago. Has not run a place since it ran 2nd to Winx. Had about 500 trials though. 

They, the "no it allls" are still trying to give us a list of the best horses that Winx beat. Count this one out.

Now did you all have a laugh last weekend when they ran the Winx Guineas. It was a Group 3 race. That's right Group 3. How very appropriate. A bunch of plodders and no names running around in a Group 3, the Winx Guineas. Talk about split my sides laughing, how embarrasing Miss Winx. You were not there Miss Winx and hopefully your owners were not either.

Good to hear from you Count. Yes it is fun. I tune in each morning and give the ventriloquist and his dummy a clout around the ears and then retire whilst they underline, colour, increase size in their stupid replies before they go back to sobbing through replays of Winx beating Invictus Prince and Sons of John.

Unbelievable! This is like Days Of Our Lives, where you can tune in once a year and pick up where you left off last time without missing a beat. The funny thing is, all you guys think you're winning the argument. Until the same time next year, carry on.

You don't need to be Einstein to figure out why they were not game to take Winx overseas.

All these Timeform ratings though are basically a crock. Winx had these high ratings yet she beat nothing.

It is a bit like a second grade cricket player flogging the bowlers in the local pub team and then having someone assert that the second grade cricket player is the best test player in the world even though he has never got out of second grade.

Yes it was a great performance by Stradavarius. The only race I saw over the carnival and so glad I did. Hopefully on to the Arc.

 

 

See article...Stradavarius has been given a provisional Timeform rating of 130:

 

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/timeform-strad-hits-130-high/181037

 

 

 

A dominant win.

We have all seen it countless times Gary. If the positions during the race were reversed you would all be on here telling the faithfull how she should have won.

Now, that question about Regumate and the quality wfa horses she beat!

There would be more noise in a tomb compared to your silence.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin.

King and Gladys, here is a birdseye, closeup view of the interference at the 500m.

Just copy and paste:---->    https://youtu.be/RClrPLG5mwI

Let me know if you have any problems.

Cheers..

 

Gladys,

Re tour:

"Even as a three year old, had Highland Reel not been checked he would have beaten her"

CHECKED????

Perhaps you could tell us just where it was that Highland Reeel was actually checked.

Oh and after you are finished attempting to convince us of this imaginery check then perhaps you can then write to the stewards and have them revise the official stewards report to include your imaginary check.

Strewth. I have the ventriloquist and the dummy not only using large print and colours but now highlighting their histrionics.

In answer to your stupid suggestion Klown, she would not have needed to be hit with anything to beat the duds that she did. The jockey could have stopped and signed a few autographs in the straight at the 200m and still beat those no hopers.

You both can crow on all you like with comments about me, how fast she ran when beating no hopers, race records, the lot. One thing you can't crow about are the names of the quality opposition she beat for one plain reason. She beat absolutely nuthin. Even as a three year old, had Highland Reel not been checked he would have beaten her

As for having no idea Gary, give me your ideas on Regumate and why it is banned. If that does your head in, give me the names of good wfa horses she beat.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

"how many times was WINX touched with the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m?" 

And yet she still set a new a race and course record

Too many unanswered questions Gladys. Too much bulldust, ignorance and a feeble attempt to deflect attention from your latest infantile observations. You simply have no f....n idea..

Gladys,

You've got nothin Gladys hence you are now gurgling down the plughole at a speed aligned to an ever increasing vortex.

Why is it that you can NOT stick to the subject at hand.

Heres your chance to redeem yourself.

Do you have the guts to answer the question previously asked of you?

"how many times was WINX touched whith the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m?" 

Have you ever thought of playing the club circuit with your ventriloquist act, Klown.

I am sure that your dummy would like it.

Do you have any other colours that you like to use Gary?

Gladys,

"Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped"

Re your: "When you stop sobbing have a look at what the stewards said about Highland Reel. Do you think that may have accounted in any small way for his defeat?"

Yes I would have to agree that this "bump" may have been a minor contributing factor that  may have accounted in a small way for his defeat. But the fact is that Highland Reel had a full 500m to recover from this "bump" and run down WINX but the reality is that at no time within this last 500m did he make any ground on WINX who coasted to the line over the final 50m.

Further to this, how many times was WINX touched whith the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m? IMO had Bowman actually ridden her out hard over the last 100m, even if only hands and heels let alone using the whip, WINX would have beaten Highland Reel by a consevative margin of ten lengths or so.

Yes Highland Reel copped a bump, but there is no way that this bump was sufficient enough to have cost it ten lengths or even his official beaten margin of 5.6 len.

"My comments were that most of the field would have beaten her had the interference not occurred."

Even though "most of the field" suffered zero interference!

As usual Gladys, absoutely hilarious!

 

Tell me Gary. Why is it that you and the ventriloquist both feel the need to use large print, red print, underlining and highlighting.

Is it because that is your role as the dummy or is it because you and he are one and the same?

"Of course I stand by my comments" means what it says Gary. My comments were that most of the field would have beaten her had the interference not occurred. That means "yes".

Now go off on a tangent and analyse every word, parse the verbs, check for correct inflections, anything you like to try and cloud the issue, being she just beat hopeless duds.

This particular Cox Plate field was not much but had The Cleaner not lived up to his name and do that to the field, she would have finished out of a place.

Now hang in there. The ventriloquist will be along soon to give you some more lines that you can highlight and print in red.

How about giving us a few of the good horses she beat. Highlight them and print them in red. Fat chance of that happening.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'! 

"Would have been cleaned up by most of the field.."

Are you retracting this, yes or no?

Of course I stand by my comments.

What did you think James Bester was going to say? "We wuz robbed"?

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

Hey Gladys, let me understand - are you now retracting the "Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred." and are now just focussing on Highland Reel?

Highland Reel's jockey Ryan Moore said "I thought he ran a good race. Winner was impressive"

Coomore's James Bester said "We have no complaints"...."He's (Highland Reel) run a fabulous race"

The stewards comments said Highland Reel was "hampered" when "bumped" by Arod.

And you reckon its ME thats a "sobbing mess"?

yeah, beat nuthin, again and again and again and again and again and again..........

When you stop sobbing have a look at what the stewards said about Highland Reel.

Do you think that may have accounted in any small way for his defeat?

Reverse the positions of Winx and Highland Reel, do you think the result would still have been the same?

Read the stewards' report below Gary. Don't just paraphrase a few lines and then add in the beaten margin to make your point.

If that is too difficult for your cerebral capabilities just have a a look at the race replay. This time, instead of being a sobbing mess, try to stay composed and have a look at what happened when The Cleaner shifted out. Those beaten horses were not back 12 lengths when that happened.

How many times have you been caught out by either Khap or myself when you attempt to be creative with the truth?

 

Gladys, you know how much I appreciate your humour. This is your best yet!!

Winx "Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred."

The 4th horse PORNICHET suffered ZERO interference - beaten 9 lengths

The 5th horse HARTNELL was "steadied off heels" - beaten 10 lengths

The 6th and 7th horses FAWKNER and THE CLEANER suffered ZERO interference - beaten 12 lengths.

The 8th horses GAILO CHOP suffered ZERO interference - beaten 12 lengths

The 9th horse PREFERMENT suffered ZERO specified interference - beaten 12 lengths.

The 10th horse HAPPY TRAILS  suffered ZERO interference - beaten 13 lengths

The 11th horse AROD was hampered and taken off its course, but jock reported it raced poorly.- beaten 14 lengths.

The 12th horse MOURINHO suffered ZERO interference - beaten 16 lengths.

The 13th horse KERMADEC suffered ZERO interference - beaten 20 lengths.

The 14th horse COMPLACENT suffered ZERO intereference - beaten 35 lengths..

So, when you say that WINX would have been "cleaned up by most of the field" to which horses are you referring?

 

A little bit more to add Gary...

Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred.

The ventriloquist has been kind enough to post the stewards' report.

One does not need science to prove the bleeding obvious Gary.

Tune in to Sydney racing this weekend  when Invictus Prince will be running. This fine horse ran a close second to your champion.

If that is not enough proof watch a rerun of last Saturday's Stradbroke. Look towards the rear of the field at the finishing line and you will see Kementari. Another one that came close to her.

If that is not enough then have a gaze at Sons Of John, Lesqueti Spirit, Red Excitement plus any of the aged stayers who made up the choreographed processions.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

Gladys, you said several times you would provide a (scientific) basis to prove that Winx's opposition was poor compared to previous decades. Where is it?

Many people also think that Winx competed against and beat good horses Gary.

I have never commented on the three scenarios you mentioned Gary so your opinion of what mould I may fit is only another one of your baseless slurs to deflect the truth.

There is one mould that you fit very comfortably Gary. It is the one I mentioned in the first sentence.

Gladys,

Many people think that the Moon landing, Covid crisis and the basis for the twin towers collapse are fake.

You fit the mould.

I think the other nineteen had similar ability too, Gary. 

I see the ventriloquist and his dummy are still in lock step.

Gladys,

What happened to your:  "Topic closed for me."

You are like a dog with a bone or more fittingly a b!ch wid a bone who does not want to give it up.

Strange how you happily yielded before but are now back for even more ridicule.

Further to this I find it odd that when you are lauding horses like Manikato or Might and Power you are very fothcoming in nominating the best horses that they beat

BUT

When it comes to WINX and the subject of who the best horses that she beat all you want to do is list the duds that she beat rather than the BEST horse she beat.

My point here of course is that when we discuss what a great horse that say Kingston Town was we never list the duds that he beat, what would be the point?

Similarly there is no point to listing a string of duds that WINX may have beaten is there?

The fact is that WINX smashed Highland Reel in a Cox Plate, who consequently smashed the French Champion and international superstar FLINTSHIRE approximately seven weeks after being placed behind WINX.

In this race the G1 Hong Kong Vase Flintshire the defending champion drew past Highland Reel who at one stage then looked beaten before digging in like the superstar that he was to fight back and win this race running away.

If anybody doubts the quality of Highland Reel take a look at this promotional video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOjgRaWJEA

Yes. It was one of twenty.

Isn't Kementari one of the horses that you mentioned when asked as to what good horses Winx had defeated, Gary?

Gladys,

WHAT A LOAD OF BS

I have watched this race over and over and it would appear that both myself and the STEWARDS did NOT see the fanciful interference that you describe as supposedly happening:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

Sorry NOVICE no amount of insistence from you that the interference actually took place as you described will convince anybody including the STEWARDS that it actually happened that way.

Dream on D0PEY if it actually happened it would have been stated in the STEWARDS REPORT.

Here is the Stewards Summary @ Cox Plate Day Published 25 Oct 2015 read it and weep as you polish off your latest CARRION CROW CARCASS.

 

Race 9 - WILLIAM HILL COX PLATE (Group 1) - 2040 metres:

  • Pornichet (FR) - connections advised would be ridden quieter from the wide gate; settled in a position worse than mid-field.
  • Criterion (NZ) - slow into stride. Checked off the heels of Winx near the 1600m. Checked severely near the 450m to avoid the heels of Winx which had improved to the inside of The Cleaner which after initially having shifted out was then straightened by its rider. In assessing the incident the Stewards could not be fully satisfied that Hugh Bowman (Winx) had a careless riding charge to answer, given the contributing factors in that The Cleaner, when being straightened, left insufficient room for two runners to the inside resulting in Criterion running out of room.
  • Preferment (NZ) - got its head up near the winning post the first time, when being steadied off the heels of Criterion (NZ).
  • Arod (IRE) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and through the middle stages. Hampered at the 500m when taken out off its course by The Cleaner which shifted out abruptly. Rider Craig Williams reported his mount pulled up poorly and a subsequent veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Gailo Chop (FR) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and in the middle stages.
  • Hartnell (GB) - steadied at the 500m to avoid the heels of Highland Reel (IRE) which was taken out by Arod (IRE) which in turn was taken out by The Cleaner, which shifted out abruptly when struck with the whip.
  • Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped by Arod (IRE) which had been taken out.
  • Complacent - raced three wide without cover. Rider James Doyle reported when placed under pressure it failed to respond and was most disappointing; a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Kermadec (NZ) - a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities other than a slower than normal recovery.

 

Yay, Gladys has finally yielded to the superior intellect of her King.

SHE HAS GIVEN UP!

I guess that she will now reteat back to her OWN little fantasy land where she conjures up fanciful visions of all sorts of severe menacing interference to horses in her head that the stewards fail to see or even report on.

Yes, Gladys has thrown in the towel, victory to her King but mind you I cant help but feel that it is a bit of a hollow victory as afterall its only a victory over a poor misguided nitwit who imagines and sees things in her head which she is convinced are actually real.

Who kows, in poor old Gladys' fatasy world perhaps she only ever saw WINX struggling in each and every one of her wins winning by a margin of only a half a head or so.

However even taking all that into consideration (victory over a nitwit) I am now once again feeling

TRIUMPHANT & ELATED

Kiss my Royal Ring Loser

Quick, look over there. Hang on, here is some more history of the turf, what next, a few insults, quick a few more stats about Highland Reel...blah blah blah.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'

The best you can do is name a sprinter running over 1500 metres, a journey man horse copping severe interference which nearly brought down half the field and a horse that later went on to win some races.

Give up, you have got nuthin'. Accept the facts, she just was placed against and beat nuthin' but no hoping stablemates in a choreographed procession.

Topic closed for me.

Gladys,

Your original question was about who were the best five horses in order to have beaten WINX.

In the past I have given you my opinion in regard to the Best, 2nd best & 3rd best however as soon as I give you a selection, any selection you introduce some extra criteria in attempt to discredit my selections.

The original question does not come with additional criteria it simply asks who were the best five horses in order that WINX beat, thats it no more no less.

SOME examples of extra criteria that you have in the past introduced AFTER the original question had been put to discredit my selections have been,

No you have to only nominate Australian horses,

No it cant be a 3yo or a young horse,

No it cant be a world class sprinter being beaten over 1500m,

Oh and now it has to be "an established proved weight for age horse." etc, etc.....

What next?

It wouldnt surprise me if the next criteria that you set were along the lines of no you cant have chestnut or grey horses or ones with four white sox or ones with a white blaze etc, etc..........

Gladys, you say: "I didn't ask for a horse that may have improved later,"

Yes thats right, you are correct, the fact is that you originally only simply asked fot the Best five horses in order to have been beaten by WINX, plain and simple, NO additional criteria.

I gave you my opinion but this does not and will never satisfy the additional criteria that you continually dream up time and time again to add in an attempt to discredit my selections.

For the record I believe that the BEST horse (no additional criteia) that WINX ever beat was HIGHLAND REEL.

2nd BEST (no additional criteia) CHAUTAUQUA.

3rd BEST (no additional criteia) CRITERION

And as for your:

"The nearest she got to one was Criterion who was almost put over the running rail."

This is fanciful BS from you yet again Gladys.

You can watch this race a hundred times over and over even in slow motion and you wont see CRITERION ever looking like almost being "put over the running rail."

I cant believe that you are dumb enough to attemt to get away with this fanciful statement yet again after the FACT that I posted on here to you the official stewards report of this race WHICH DOES NOT MAKE ANY MENTION OF THIS SUPPOSED INCIDENT.

Gladys you either have a very short memory and an even shorter attention span

OR

You simply live in your own little fantasy land where you are convinced that your fantasies are actually real.

 

 

 

Gladys, you didn't spot the hypocrisy? Have another look.

Blah blah blah. You can't answer the question can you Klown. Just these dopey amateur history lectures.

You and your great mate Gary know the answer. She beat nuthin'!

You can rave on about Highland Reel all you like and all the things he may have achieved after he raced gainst Winx. One thing neither of you can do is tell me who she beat in any of her races that was an established proved weight for age horse. I didn't ask for a horse that may have improved later, I want one that was above average weight for age horse when they met. The nearest she got to one was Criterion who was almost put over the running rail.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin but duds.

Gladys,

You say: "It is not what you win but who you beat" 

By this I assume that you mean that the owners of CRACKSMAN would be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into 3rd place in the G1 Champion Stakes.

OR

That the owners of CRACKSMAN would be boasting about the fact that just like WINX in the Cox Plate they had beaten HIGHLAND REEL into 3rd place in the G1 Champion Stakes.

And perhaps now on this basis they could kid themselves that they may have some slim chance of being awarded the status of equal best horse in the world. (fat chance)

OR

Maybe like the owners of FOUND would be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into 2nd place in the G1 Arc de Triomphe.

OR

An absolute certainty I feel would be that the owners of WINX would sitill even to this day be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into third place in the Cox Plate.

Afterall what a great horse that Highland Reel was, remember he ran 2nd to FOUND in the Arc but almost immediately after that came out and beat FLINTSHIRE 2nd & FOUND 3rd in the G1 Breeders Cup.

Did I mention that WINX beat Highland Reel into 3rd place in the Cox Plate?

OR

Perhaps the owners of the likes of TREVE, CIRRUS de ANGELS, TREVE (again) MAIN SEQUENCE, DOLNIYA, DOLNIYA (again), TREVE (yet again), GOLDEN HORN, ECTOT would more than likely still be boasting about having beaten FLINTSHIRE.

Oh did I forget one, sorry about that, silly me, I forget to mention that HIGHLAND REEL also beat FLINTSHIRE twice.

Yeah Gladys, I get it.

"It is not what you win but who you beat" 

 

Gladys, to explain Highland Reel’s loss to Winx in 2015 Cox Plate, you relentlessly argue:

“Highland Reel was an up and coming, northern hemisphere, young three year old, yet to develop, on his World tour giving half a kilo in weight against a four year old mare.”

In case you missed it, you said ”Highland Reel was a young three year old, yet to develop…”

Yet, this very same proposition explains all of Winx’s defeats as a three year old!

Can you spot the hypocrisy?

Highland Reel blah blah blah. the race he won had no quality in it. Remember Bart. One of his lines was "It is not what you win but who you beat" Who did he beat in that race?

Just give us all a name of one other weight for age horse she beat that was not a dud. Spare us all your boring attempts at history of the turf.

High Gladys,

I wish to comment on your lame statements as quoted:

"Highland Reel contested the Cox Plate early in his career and went on to become a very good horse." 

Agreed!

"Winx was flogged by many horses including the ones I named, early in her career."

Agreed but what is your point?

Many horses have been flogged by lesser horses early in their respective careers but it does not stop them developing into a champion as they eventually mature.

For instance, the mighty BERNBOROUGH could only manage the following all on the lowlyToowoomba track.

At 4yo one 3rd and one unplaced out of two starts as a 4yo.

At 5yo he ran the following sequence of results unplaced, won, unplaced, unplaced, unplaced, won, won, 2nd.

But he just like WINX would develop into a champion upon maturing sufficiently.

Yeah like I said, I dont get your point.

What does it matter if you have a few poor performances as a young horse if in time with education and maturity you go on to become a true CHAMPION like WINX or BERNBOROUGH.

Similarly Tulloch only won six out of his first twelve starts but it did not stop him developing into a CHAMPION.

" A few Group Three horses like Benbatl and Hartnell gave a bit of a yelp but any horse out of the past would have flogged them."

This is pure speculation on your part, it is your opinion and can not be proven.

In any case I could name thousands of horses out of the past that could not have even won a maiden.

I think what you really ment to say dopey was that in your opinion many of our well renowned classy stakes winners "out of the past would have flogged them."

"Humidor got close" 

This one is easily explained by taking a leaf out of your mate Khaptingly's book.

"What if that one horse (WINX) was not at it's best on the day." 

"She beat Highland Reel when he was a youngj fellow with potential and then never beat a proper horse in her life." 

Highland Reel was not such a young horse, he was chronologically three years and eight months old when he met Winx in the Cox Plate hence the weight he carried to satisfy the WFA scale.

Highland Reel was already a proper horse.

Further to this seven weeks later he flogged a G1 International field in Hong Kong including the G1 international superstar Flitshire.

"Just once, just for once, name a horse she beat that had actually done something before they met in a race." 

Highland Reel flogged the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf field where he cruised to a 5.25 len x head victory beating the 3-2 favourite Force The Pass into third place.

After the race Highland Reel's jockey is quoted as saying: "I was never in any doubt. I won easy."

Force The Pass had recently easily won the 1.25 million US dollars Belmont Derby Invertational Stakes against a high class international field of invitees and USA horses.

"The race Highland Reel won was nothing."

Boy oh boy have I been waiting for this one.

(I have been soooo patient and it has now paid dividends, I have caught myself a great big bloated sucker fish)

I could of caught poor old pigboy out on this one but I was hoping for a bigger fish to fry "The race Highland Reel won was nothing." ?????

Derrrrrr, this is the very same race that Adelaide won the year before prior to winning his Cox Plate.

So there we have it Gladys says:

"The race Highland Reel won was nothing."

But the winner of this race the previous year (Adelaide) comes out and wins the Cox Plate one year followed by another winner of this same race (Highland Reel) the following year then running 3rd in the Cox Plate almost immediately after.

You are such a novice Gladys it would appear that you know very little about interpreting form or form lines.

WHAT A SUCKER!

 

 

 

Highland Reel contested the Cox Plate early in his career and went on to become a very good horse. When he contested the Cox Plate he was not a proven performer but certainly had potential.

Winx was flogged by many horses including the ones I named, early in her career. When these horses left the scene she was left with a rapidly declining pool of quality horses and was therefore gifted a career where she only had to meet a bunch of aged handicapping duds. A few Group Three horses like Benbatl and Hartnell gave a bit of a yelp but any horse out of the past would have flogged them. Humidor got close and he was below average despite Gary thinking he was going to win the Melbourne Cup.

You can give us all the graphs, speculation and blather you like Klown but the bottom line is this. She beat Highland Reel when he was a youngj fellow with potential and then never beat a proper horse in her life. She raced against duds in orchestrated and choregraphed processions to entertain flag wavers like you and Gary.

Just once, just for once, name a horse she beat that had actually done something before they met in a race. The race Highland Reel won was nothing. Not something that did something later on but something that had won races against quality fields. You can't can you?

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'

Gladys,

Oh I see your point now, how wise you are.     (NOT)

Highland Reel was a dud as a 3yo in the Cox Plate in your opinion as he contested the Cox Plate without supposed established class, and prior to realising his eventual high class potential.

Oh I feel so much more elightend now an feel a need to rethink and recalibrate my opinion of some very classy horses of the past, particularly those who have won a Cox Plate as a 3yo now that I have become familiar with the Gladys new way of thinking.

Gladys I feel so much more enlightenened as according to your logic a horse likein So You Think (won a Cox Plate as a 3yo) should also be included as a dud who contested the Cox Plate without established class, and with no consideration of his future high class potential.

SO YOU THINK

 

2009 MVRC WS Cox Plate (as a 3yo) G1 2040m
2010 MRC Underwood Stakes G1 1800m
2010 MRC Yalumba Stakes G1 2000m
2010 MVRC WS Cox Plate G1 2040m
2010 VRC Mackinnon Stakes G1 2000m
2011 GB The Eclipse Stakes G1 10F
2011 IRE Irish Champion Stakes G1 10F
2011 IRE Tattersalls Gold Cup G1 10.5F
2012 GB Prince of Wales's Stakes G1 10F
2012 IRE Tattersalls Gold Cup G1 10.5F
2010 MRC Memsie Stakes G2 1400m
2009 STC Gloaming Stakes G3 1800m
2011 IRE Curragh Mooresbridge Stakes G3 11F

First Seal, Fenway and Gust of Wind all flogged Winx before they gave it away. Using your logic Klown that proves they were all better.

As to your stupid assertion that there has been no better performed horse than Highland Reel in the last fifty years then consider this. Horses in the last fifty years contested the Cox Plate with established class, not potential.  Had Highland Reel returned to Australia later in his career he would have flogged Regumate Girl.

I see Kementari went around in Brisbane yesterday. Now remind me again, who did he used to race against? Oh that's right, another one of the no hoping duds keeping Our Kingdom of Fyfe and Invictus Prince company in the procession of plodders.

Khaptingly,

Re your: "What if that one horse was not at it's best on the day." Is that all you have got? You really are pathetic, talk about grasping at straws.

But unfortunately your silly unfounded attempt at denigrating the absolute class of Highland Reel through the use of your fanciful what if scenario? can also be used in the same to enhance the class of HIghland Reel.

Highland Reel would have won the Arc except he was not at nis best on the day.

Your scenario is about as silly and lacking in credibility as saying WINX beat Highland Reel into third place, Highland Reel ran second in the Arc therefore WINX would have won the Arc.

I have given you pair of dopes the BEST horse that WINX beat. Last time it was said that this was not acceptable as he was still a rising 4yo and had not as yet proven himself to be the classy horse that he would eventually become but now its all about how perhaps he "was not at it's best on the day."

I reiterate, I have given you the BEST horse that WINX beat. I will not be giving you the second best, third best etc, etc... until you agree that I am right about my "BEST HORSE" selection

OR

You are prepared to nominate a supposed better one and are prepared to debate the reasons for its selection. The bottom line here is you pair of dopes ask a perfectly reasonable question but when you are given an answer you simply make up all sorts of silly childlike reasons as to why the legitimate answer is not acceptable to you.

My point here is that it is a wasted effort researching and then attempting any form of credible debate with you pair of clowns as you appear to be non accepting of any answer no matter how credible it be. No all you pair can do is attempt to denigrate the credible answer with all sorts of childish silly nonsense rather than any attempt become involved in any form of credible debate.

I think that the problem here is that the pair of you simply don't have the ability to undertake a basic debate. No it has been proven time and time again that the pair of you are more comfortable continuing with your silly child like nonsense rather than entering into any mature form of debate.

Forget about your silly childlike attempts to denigrate my selection of Highland Reel being the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. Here's your big chance to show some intestinal fortitude and maturity.

Answer the following:

NAME A HORSE ANY HORSE THAT WINX EVER BEAT THAT WAS BETTER PERFORMED IN ITS OVERALL RACING CAREER THAN HIGHLAND REEL.

NAME A HORSE THAT RAN EITHER SECOND OR THIRD IN ANY COX PLATE IN THE PAST FIFTY YEARS THAT WAS BETTER PERFORMED IN ITS OVERALL RACING CAREER THAN HIGHLAND REEL.

Well folks after months and months the imposter, theking, can only give us one horse. Of all the horses that Winx beat., he can only give us one horse. Pathetic. What if that one horse was not at it's best on the day. We asked the question. Theking has boosted the possibility that Winx is the most overrated horse ever with his pathetic responses that do nothing to suggest otherwise. And apparently he is a fan of Winx.

Khaptingly,

I am not one of your frightened little year seven high school students. Therefore I do not feel at all threatened by your wanker high school teacher threats or ultimatums. eg. "When you give me the list and have answered the question, I will then answer your question, but first things first."

No wanker, I have answered you in regard to which horse I feel was the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. Now its time for you to answer a couple of questions for me, or we won't be moving on.

OR

Sorry dopey I will consider that its checkmate, game over,  game won by the King.

1. If Highland is not the best horse that WINX ever beat then tell me out of the multitude of horses that she did beat who in your opinion was a better horse than Highland Reel?

2. Highland Reel won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf just prior to takiing on WINX in the Cox Plate. Surely you would have to agree that this was indicative of excellent form leading into a Cox Plate wouldn't you?


Let me help you out Khap as you will not get any answers from that clown. In Sydney this weekend that great champion Invictus Prince is having a run. Now this fabulous horse won a maiden and then a Benchmark 95 in the UK and then won nothing for the next two years. Upon arriving in Australia it was entered in a Group One against Winx and ran two lengths second at wfa. That was and is the standard of wfa Group One racing in Australia.

It has done absolutely zilch since. It has had 22 starts for 2 wins and about 198K in prize money. This horse was two lengths behind Winx. Imagine just how woeful the horses were that finished behind this goat.

I reckon the Clerk of the Course's horse could have run in the placings in most of her races as the standard was that pathetic.

Theking, rather than continually try to deflect the matter away from your inability to provide the answer we are asking you for, how about finally getting the courage to answer the question.

You have told us ad nauseum about Highland Reel. That horse is obviously one you are giving us. What are the other four to make the list of the top five horses in your opinion that Winx beat in her career. 

No school lessons just cut to the subject, What did Winx beat ? Beating around the bush is over for you. When you give me the list and have answered the question, I will then answer your question, but first things first.

GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE,

Re your: "Nice little trick there King with the reposting." Reposting with corrections post posting and not still leaving the original message intact as well, yes that would certainly be a "Nice little trick" if it were at all possible. Sounds to me more like an unfounded GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE conspiracy theory to me.

The only other explanation for this supposed "Nice little trick" would be that the THE BLOATED GOOSE'S eyesight is now so poor that she is seeing things that are not actually there. It would appear to me that it is high time for a pair of much stronger bifocals for you Mrs Magoo. 

"Oh Magoo you've done it again!" Made a GOOSE out of yourself that is! Thanks again for the belly laughs. You have had me in stitches wobbling like a big bowl of jelly.

Please don't change Gladys as you really are a constant source of amusement for your jolly old King.

I will make it easier for you then Gary. Perhaps you can name one horse that Winx regularly beat in Australia that had a high or at least a reasonable winning strike rate in other races contested when Winx was not one of the runners in the race.

Those duds that she beat then got flogged by other duds. 

She was a good horse Gary but her ability was blown way out of proportion on the basis that she just beat no hoping duds.

No Gary, it wasn't that they were unbeatable. It was the opposition were not capable of winning they were so bad.

I understand why you don't want to discuss Regumate. Your whole argument collapses without it.

Gladys, I'm not the slightest bit interested in discussing Regumate with you. But feel free to waste your time asking the same question over and  over, because you won't get a response.

Sadly, you have your head stuck in the previous century, and have missed a couple of champs from the past decade who have achieved some modest winning streaks. Evidently, they had incredible acceleration and only ONCE during their wining streaks, shortened stride.

I refer to Black Caviar at Ascot (due to injury) and  Winx in her 3rd Cox Plate (3 wide last 900m - and flattened first up in that prep)..

Think of the implications, Gladys. Only once (and for good reason) did they concede ground. They were simply unbeatable.

Nice little trick there King with the reposting. Did your little mate Gazza give you a hand? 

How's the answer coming along Gazza?

Gladys,

Re your statement: "Before you denigrate posters King, why don't you attend a remedial English class and learn how to spell the word "operative"."

WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT DOPEY? The following is copied and pasted directly from my recent post.

"Sorry but I don't think that I can make it any simpler (operative word) for you."

I am unsure as to why you are critical of my spelling of the word operative when clearly it is spelt correctly.Perhaps you are simply (operative word) getting confused as you do not actually have an understanding of the word operative when used in the context that I used it in.

Therefore I provide the following so that you may perhaps gain a better understanding of the word operative in the future. "the operative word. the most important word in a phrase, which explains the truth of a situation"

Poor old Gladys what a FOOL you have made of yourself yet again. It woul appear that it is you and not me who needs to attend a remedial english class and learn how to spell. I hope for your sake Gladys that they will accept the enrolment of a dill like you in the remedial english class. Perhaps you should get your carer to help you with your posts in future. I always thought that you were a bit of a goose Gladys but this time you have really outdone yourself.

Rather than simply refer to you as a bit of a goose or a big goose after your latest debacle it is probably more fitting to refer to you as a BLOATED GOOSE from now on. Yes GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE is not only very fitting but it also has a very nice ring to it don't you think?

Ha ha ha, thanks for providing your jolly old King once again with yet another great big belly laugh. Please don't change Gladys, you are a constant source of amusement for your jolly old King just the way you are.


Before you denigrate posters King, why don't you attend a remedial English class and learn how to spell the word "operative".

Gary has been very slow getting back to me with an answer to my question. Is he in the same ward as you?

If he is not, would you be kind enough to ask Matron to give him my message? Would you write the word "Regumate"?

With your appalling spelling you will only get him further confused if you try to remember it without a note.

Khaptingly,

Re your statement:"The five best horses that Winx defeated, in his opinion."

Like you is an OXYMORON. "An oxymoron, however, may produce a dramatic effect, but does not make literal sense."

I suggest that you make yourself familiar with the neaning of the word BEST. There is only ever one BEST. You saying "the five best" is as equally moronic as someone describing something as the MOST BEST.

Do you get that dopey?

Sorry but I don't think that I can make it any simpler (operative word) for you. I suggest that you ask your teacher or one of the smarter kids in your class to help you with your english skills or better still perhaps they could enrol you in a remedial Engish class.

And BTW I have I believe that I have already given you the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. If Highland is not the best horse that WINX ever beat then tell me out of the multitude of horses that she did beat who in your opinion was a better horse than Highland Reel?

Highland Reel won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf just prior to takiing on WINX in the Cox Plate. Surely you would have to agree that this was indicative of excellent form leading into a Cox Plate wouldn't you?

 

So I decided to visit this forum again several days later and theking still cannot get past one horse. He goes around and around like a stuck record. What a poor effort, can't get past one horse.

I see now what you are dealing with. IQ< hat size. Good luck all.

That's alright if you don't side with me Piggy. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and a view and I respect yours.

I hope you stay around as your selections are usually pretty good.

At least you can understand the difficulties of dealing with that cretinous mate of Gary. If you look at the time of that moron's posts you can have a fairly good insight as to his cerebral state.

Gladys, I never thought I could side with you, but when someone can't see that you are on their side and collates such a child-like response, I guess there is no hope for this forum.

Move over Quez. I guess I will join you.

Sorry Dhaulagiri, but this will probably be my last Groupies. Far too much work to do. Viva the Stock Market. C'est la Vie.

You have all answered the question correctly! WGAF.

Gladys,

Highland Reel ran 2nd in the G1 Arc to Found.

Found also won a G1 USA Breeders Cup Turf, as did Highland Reel and so did the dual G1 Arc winner Enable.

As you can see from the results below Highland Reel was a high class racehorse in good company.

Why do you not include him in your list of horses that WINX beat?

 

G1 USA Breeders Cup winners in recent times

2018

Enable (GB) 2014

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2017

Talismanic (GB) 2013

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2016

Highland Reel (IRE) 2012

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2015

Found (IRE) 2012

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

Not quite the reply you were expecting, eh Pigracer.

Gary loves this clown. He thinks his posts are simply the best.

What do you think?

 

Enjoying your best mate's posts Gary? Come on, you told us how you love reading them.

Now about that Regumate question, why is it banned?

Hey pigracer does this sound familiar to you?

The wise old Mountain Man says "I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee! What we, uh, "re-quire" is that you get your god-damn asses up in them woods.

Come on lets see you pigs race on on up there.

 

Hey Gladys,

Re your:

"After Hartnell there was Invictus Prince, Sons Of John, Red Excitement and L'Esqueti Spirit as the best horses she beat. aren't they an impressive lot!"

You conveniently forgot Highland Reel.

He won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths just prior to being flogged by WINX in the Cox Plate.

This is G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf form is great form leading into a Cox Plate start.

Why is it that you do not give him a mention?

Hey pigboy,

Was that the same wise man who insisted that you squeal like a pig for him?

 

A wise man once told me "NOTHING IS FOOL PROOF because fools are so ingenious" Why waste time on clowns KING? Cheers,The Pig.

Don't waste your time waiting for that cretin to respond Khap. I will give you the answer that those two clowns are afraid to admit.

Hartnell was a handicapper who was not up to overses competition so was brought out here to run in our pathetic wfa races against our plodders.. He went well as he had no competition except Regumate Girl.. He was not very good, he looked good because the opposition was just so poor.

After Hartnell there was Invictus Prince, Sons Of John, Red Excitement and L'Esqueti Spirit as the best horses she beat. aren't they an impressive lot!

This will give those two clowns a way out now. Instead of addressing this post we will get the usual drivel from Bootsie and then that clown King will give us an education in highlighting and capitals. If you think he writes tripe here, go and have a look at that other forum. He is laughed off there on a weekly basis.

Khappy,

Re your:

"Enough of this time wasting and picking on others who visit the forum."

Whats the matter Khappy?

Do I sense a note of jealousy that your King is not giving you all the attention?

I can unders why you want me all to yourself but come on Khappy this is a bit much you must learn to share your King's attention.

Sorry to be the one to tell you this Khappy but its not all about you!

Gary must be in seventh heaven. He loves reading this clown's posts.

Now Bootsie, how about the answer to that Regumate question.

Fairburn or whatever your name actually is.

Re your:

"Theking,

You say a win in the Secretatiat Stakes is good form for a Cox Plate, are you serious?"

Yes I am serious and no amount of prattling on about what horses did or didn't do after the Secretariat Stakes Turf will change this.

The problem with you is that you don't seem to know what the word form means.

Form for a nominated race is the performances of a horse leading up to and prior to the nominated race.

Oh how I wish that I had the benefit of future performances before they actually happen like you seem to want to include in your form assesment for the Secretariat Stakes Turf race.

Yes Fairburn or whatever your name actually is HINDSIGHT is a wonderful thing but its not of much use in assessing the ability of a horse prior to it running in a nominated race.

It is time theking gave us another horse or in fact another four to finally come up with his list of five. The five best horses that Winx defeated, in his opinion.

Enough of this time wasting and picking on others who visit the forum. Get to the point and come up with the full list of five.

One horse is not good enough. A pathetic effort after all this time but what we have come to expect.

1. Highland Reel had good form leading into the Cox Plate against WINX as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf. 

Unfotunately for Highland Reel even though he carried that very good form into the Cox Plate he was smashed by the unquestionable superiority of WINX.

this is a FACT.

2. Seven weeks later after his Cox Plate defeat Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire in a G1 race.

this is a FACT.

3. Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races.

this is a FACT.

Highland Reel is the best horse that WINX ever beat!

These FACTS can not be denounced.

I welcome anybody who wishes to comment on these FACTS.

But be warned you risk making a fool of yourself.

Failure to comment will simply indicate that you agree with me and it will then allow us to get on with my nomination of the second best horse that WINX beat.

Anything to deflect the question asked by Khap and myself King.

Name the horses. You can't because there aren't any. They were all duds.

Yoo hoo, Gary. that Regumate question, any chance of an answer Bootsie?

willow15,

What do you mean by?

"My error, as I said the third place horse" etc, etc.....

I am more than a little confused here.

Are you some kind of a scitZoid trying to take somebody elses identity?

What the???

Correct me if I amwrong here but I am pretty sure that it was actually Fairburn who said those things.

willow15 are you two different people or are you two different people in the same body sharing the same brain?

As in you only have half a brain each which would account for your difficulty with counting.

Or are you actually the same person with two different dodgy identities on here?

Somehow I think that I am leaning towards the latter.

In any case whether you be two different people or two personas within the same brain it would appear that both of you appear to get more than a little confused when we get to big numbers like three and four?

It would appear that you are only going to become even more confused if you go beyond number 4 as in 4th place.

Try counting with your fingers slowly one at a time next time

OR

Better still perhaps you could get a sensible adult to help you with your counting.

In any case when you go back to school perhaps you could ask the teacher to enrol the both of you (Fairburn & willow15) in a remedial maths class that is especially tailored for scitZoids.

These certainly are strange times that we are living in as it would appear that neither Fairburn or willow15 seem to know whether they are Arthur or Martha.

In summary you are both very odd bods or should I say YOU singularly are one very big odd bod?

Or perhaps I should say that you are not only Fairburn & willow15 but who knows you may also be Gladys & Khaptingly as well all wrapped up in the same body and sharing the same brain.

All I know is that you get confused as to which identity or persona you should be using at any one time and the fact that you get very confused once the numbers get as big as three, four or more.

Perhaps thats the problem.

Its symptomatic of the fact that you are attempting to deal with a big number like four personas, any wonder you get so confused.

Hmmmm, come to think of it, these are traits common to Gladys & Khaptingly.

What a bunch of scitZoid losers.

 

theking,

My error, as I said the third placed horse had only one career win at G1 level which you noted. It was the fourth placed horse whose only black tyoe win was a G2 in Rome before finishing it's career being flogged in races in Country NSW.. The fifth placed horse had no black type wins and finished his career being flogged in BM races in NSW. The sixth place horse has two lowly wins in France and the seventh place horse had one G2 win and no other black type wins. 

This field was so pathetic if it was run in Australia it would have rated as one of the weakest G1 races of the season and we have had plenty of G1 races in recent seasons that are nothing more than glorified G3/Listed races, yet for some reason you seem to think that a win in the Secretariat Stakes is good form for the Cox Plate. Doesn't say much for the field that contested the Cox Plate in 2015.

One horse from theking, wow. Wow indeed. Are you too frightened, too scared to mention any others, in case we just laugh at you for years to come. 

Not sure where you are getting your information from Fairburn.

Re your:

"The third placed horses only black type win was in a G2 rare in of all places Rome and he finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW."

As far as I am aware 3rd placed Force the Pass had in fact just won the G1 Belmont Derby. Not too sure about it finishing his career being flogged in races in country NSW and or have ever aced in Rome for that matter, but if you say so it must be true.

However to the best of my knowlege he is at stud in the USA. They must all be a bunch of dills those yanks!

 I wonder why they would want to use a stallon that finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW?

 

Theking,

You say a win in the Secretatiat Stakes is good form for a Cox Plate, are you serious?

There were six other starters in the race and the second placed horses only black type win came in a listed race. The third placed horse has only one win at G1 level. The third placed horses only black type win was in a G2 rare in of all places Rome and he finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW. The fourth placed horse had no black type wins and finished his career being flogged in BM races in NSW. The fifth place horse has two lowly wins in France and the sixth place horse had one G2 win and no other black type wins. 

By any reading that was a pathetic field. Even some of the dogs that ran second to Winx in her career had better form than that.

Gladys,

Re your:

"Highland Reel was an up and coming three year old half way across the world"

No he was a late three year old by southern hemisphere standards who was flogged by WINX even though he had flogged a Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf field. (good form for a Cox Plate)

No he was not half way across the world as he was racing in Melbourne when he was flogged by WINX.

Khap, Gary is n record as professing his love for this clown's posts.

I think that just about sums these two up, don't you think?

As for your stupid posts King, I will answer your dopey question with one of my own.

Which was the best horses that Fenway or First Seal beat. The answer is not Winx. They did not have to get out of second gear to towel her. As to the best horse Winx beat, well no one. None of them were any good when they raced against her. Highland Reel was an up and coming three year old half way across the world and the rest were just second and third rate handicappers.

Khap,

You said:

"I never said my grammar was correct, I just questioned your use of uppercase."

No you did not just question my use of uppercase.

The following quote from you will prove this.

"P.S. Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar. Why the upper case on selected words in your most recent post?"

You not only questioned my use of uppercase but you also had the temerity to question whether I had a problem with grammar while displaying your absolute lack of knowledge of grammar by:

1. Using a capital in Grammar

2. Omitting to place a question mark at the end of your "do you have a problem with Grammar."

No you never said your grammar was correct but you did have the unjustified gall to out of the blue criticise my grammar in what I can only imagine was an attempt to make yourself look clever.

Sorry Khap you failed to make yourself look clever once again!

PS

Lets start with the best horse that WINX beat.

I say it was Highland Reel.

Can you or anybody else for that matter come up with a horse that WINX beat that was better than Highland Reel?

 

Khap,

Re my use of all CAPS:

"Typing in all capital letters is akin to shouting at someone in person. It's commonly used by online hustlers to try to grab your attention.

Whether you are using email, Twitter, or some other online form of communication, shouting in all caps is considered inappropriate and bad netiquette. It also evokes stronger reader emotions. There are exceptions to the rule. It's acceptable for subject lines and headings to appear in all caps."

Sorry but I gotcha as this online hustler was shouting at you by using all CAPS as a means of trying to grab your attention and evoking stronger emotions from you, you dunce.,

Cop that goose, I as usual was successful yet again in achieving my objective.

PS

In regard to your:

"Something he says we should stick too."

Sorry dopey it should be to.

I never said my grammar was correct, I just questioned your use of uppercase. Get back to the point theking.

It seems it is panic time for theking. He is too interested in providing Grammar lessons which diverts him conveniently away from the real question and the point of this thread. Something he says we should stick too. He is in such a fluster that the same post has made it through, not once, not twice, not three times but four times. Panic prevails it seems.

Now provide us with the names of those five horses.

Gladys,

Further rules of grammar for your information.

6.73 Indirect one-word question. When a question within a sentence consists of a single word, such as who, when, how, or why, a question mark may be omitted, and the word is sometimes italicized. ... A request courteously disguised as a question does not require a question mark.

If you don't get it Gladys I suggest that you look up the meaning of the words MAY, be and omitted.

In any case Gladys I am not the one who started all this rot about grammar (which IMO is not so important or justified on a basic online forum)

No it was your pompous mate Khaptingly who first wanted to stand on his high horse attempting to weild the big grammar stick in relation to my use of all caps simply as a means of emphasis. (more about this later)

I didn't know or expect that we were going to be subjected to the tyranny of some dopey lefty year seven high school teacher like a bunch of his frightened little schoolboys being graded.

However enough for me on the emphasis on correct grammar on this forum as  find it terribly boring.

Anyway the main thing is that Khap started the criticism in relalation to grammar, I simply retorted & was proven right once again by putting both you & Khap in your place about your collective uncertain knowledge of correct grammar.

This is the last you will hear from me on the subject of grammar on this forum except for the post that will follow explaining my earlier use of all caps simply for emphasis.

I really don't think that correct grammar should be an issue on this forum and I am very surprised that that dopey Khap started on it in the first place (boring)

There is nothing more hilarious than when some pompous imbecile like King comes on with a lecture about grammar.

Have a look at your sentence "However I am still uncertain as to why?" and explain to us all why there is a question mark inserted after why.

When you finish with that explain why there is no apostrophe in "thats" in the preceeding stupid sentence.

Your stupid posts entertain the likes of Gary as it steers the conversation away from Regumate and  naming the good horses that he claims Winx beat.

Go back to the mutual admiration society with your dull witted mate. Perhaps you could introduce him to your admirers on that other forum. That will take all of about one second.

 

Khaptingly,

For your further information in regard to a grammar lesson which I am sure that you will appreciate.

"Be Careful!
Don't confuse were /w?/ with where /we?/. 

You use where to make statements 

or ask questions about place or position.

Where is the nearest train station?"

Now thats correct grammar for you.

However I am still uncertain as to why? you wrote Grammar with a capital G as it was at the end of a sentence and not at the beginning of a sentence.

Hmmm, perhaps you are a bit of a slug when it comes to knowing about the correct use of grammar. 

Note it should have been grammar not Grammar. 

Hi Khap,

In regard to your "Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar."

Perhaps it is actually you who has a problem with your keyboard or a problem with Grammar as the following extract from your recent post which is a direct quote will prove beyond a shadow of doubt.

"Were where they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they?"

IMO this sentence should have been written as follows:

Where were they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they?

Where in this case should be used as an interrogative pronoun simply because it is being used at the start of a question.

But then again perhaps I am wrong as I am NOT a lefty year seven wanker high school English teacher like you obviously are Khap.

Were is the past tense of to be.

As in we were all laughing at Khap's poor grammar. 

Where is generally an adverb which should for your question have been used as an interrogative pronoun.

As in where did the egg get splattered Khap?

Was it all over your face?

Sorry Khap but you are becoming an even bigger goose than your mate Gladys!

 

 

Yoo Hoo Gary. How's that answer to the Regumate question coming along?

Perhaps you are too busy blubbering over old Winx footage showing her beating up the stable mates or maybe you are too engrossed in  your idol's imbecilic posts.

Khap I reiterate:

Now if its good enough for you to start looking at the form of horses after a certain race to quantify the quality of their ability its also good enough for me to do the same.

Now lets seeif you can stick to the programme Khap perhaps you might have more guts than your mate Gladys.

The race that I nominate is the Cox Plate when WINX flogged Highland Reel.

(recent at the time winner of the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf)

I say that the best horse that WINX ever beat was Highland Reel. 

Seven weeks later after this Cox Plate Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire.

Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races for at least the next twelve months in Flintshire's case and for the next couple of years in Highland Reel's case.

Answer the question Khap

If Highland Reel was NOT the best horse that WINX ever beat then perhaps you Khap can tell me one that she beat who was better than HIGHLAND REEL?

"Anyway stick to the point Khap, I thought we were suposed to be focusting on the BEST horses that WINX beat not dad's army."

Ok stick to the point and give us your answer. Get Gary to help you if need be.

As you acknowledged Happy Clapper was a 7yo when defeated by Winx in that race I referred to. So where were the best Aussie horses of 6yo and younger? I heard we had the strongest racing in the world. I heard we bred great sprinters and middle distance horses. Were where they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they? What happened to all these horses and others that Winx defeated, once she retired? Are their records too abysmal to mention? The Ryder of 2018 was merely one example, I gave. Pull out other Winx races to prove me wrong if you can. So far you have only referred to one Aussie horse (Happy Clapper) and one international horse (Highland Reel) that Winx defeated. Just two horses you find noteworthy to mention amongst her beaten brigage. Poor effort indeed. Would any horses you may decide to mention now make your best five that Winx beat?

P.S. Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar. Why the upper case on selected words in your most recent post?

Khaptingly,

I dont get your point re Happy Clapper.

Straight after running second to WINX (once more) in the Ryder he comes out and wins a G1 Doncaster by 2 len.

IMO thats a pretty fair effort for a 7yo.

But then you want to start kicking this poor sick (bled both nostrils) old dad's army warrior in the guts for not winning too many Group races as an eight and nine year old.

Yes he only won the two group races after the Ryder that being a G1 Doncaster plus another G3 race as a nine year old. (how many horses are still winning Group races at 9yo?)

However the reality is that following his G1 Doncaster win as a 7yo he was doing the majority of his racing as an eight and nine year old in G1 races

Yes he didn't win any but in many of those races he was racing against Winx and try as he might neither him nor any other horses could beat her in Group races.

Like I said its pretty hard to win multiple Group races as an eight and nine year old in any era but obviously even harder in an era dominated by the supposed best horse in the world.

In any case I think that its pretty P!SS POOR of you picking on an old bloke like Happy Clapper who would more than likely have dominated racing in his era had Winx never been born.

Similarly for Hay List had Black Caviar not been born.

My point is that its pretty hard to amass a big Group 1 record when you have the likes of a WINX or BLACK CAVIAR running around.

Coincidently both of these horses have the exact same Group record of each both having won 3/G1, 2/G2 & 2/G3.

Anyway stick to the point Khap, I thought we were suposed to be focusting on the BEST horses that WINX beat not dad's army.

Now if its good enough for you to start looking at the form of horses after a certain race to quantify the quality of their ability its also good enough for me to do the same.

Now lets seeif you can stick to the programme Khap perhaps you might have more guts than your mate Gladys.

The race that I nominate is the Cox Plate when WINX flogged Highland Reel.

(recent at the time winner of the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf)

I say that the best horse that WINX ever beat was Highland Reel. 

Seven weeks later after this Cox Plate Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire.

Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races for at least the next twelve months in Flintshire's case and for the next couple of years in Highland Reel's case.

If Highland Reel was NOT the best horse that WINX ever beat then perhaps you Khap can tell me one that she beat who was better than HIGHLAND REEL.

Ahd before you make a complete goose of yourself like your mate Gladys I suggest that you and anybody else who wants to know the truth about the quality of WINX take a look at the race record of Flintshire over the next twelve months or so after Highland Reel had put him to the sword.

So WINX flogs Highland Reel in the Cox Plate then seven weeks later Highland Reel smashes the international superstar Flintshire then Flintshire licks his wounds and gets up off the canvas and dominates G1 international racing for the next twelve months or so.

Sorry you bunch of novices both Highland Reel & Flintshire have the runs on the board in dominating time and time again in their respective international G1 events.

It is FACT not fatasy that WINX flogged Highland Reel and that both he and Flintshire proved themselves to be both superstars on the G1 international racing circuit.

But history will tell you that it is a FACT that WINX flogged at least one of these G1 international superstars who then went on to SMASH the other G1 international superstar.

I rest my case, on this basis the quality of WINX can not be disputed.

Hmmmm, perhaps this is the sort of LOGIC that they were looking at overseas when even the yanks

(and thats saying something)

were declaring that WINX was the best racehorse in the world.

 

Gary and Theking need to colour or enlarge the font on their posts to try to make their point, which obviously they are not making very well.

Lets pick a race from the Winx career. Lets have a look at the 2018 George Ryder. That day she defeated the following five horses.

Happy Clapper - 2 wins from 15 starts since

Kementari - 0 wins from 12 starts since

Crack Me Up - failed to run a place in 9 starts since

Invincible Gem - 1 win on a heavy track against mares (Daysee Doom and Noire and just 4 others) in her 22 starts since

Clearly Innocent - 1 start for a minor placing in a Group 3 event

That is it. That was the entire field that day. And didn't the adoring fans waving their flags go into raptures that day. There are more races to highlight. I have started with this. No wonder no one can come up with their opinion of the best five horses that Winx defeated. What a joke.

Come on Gladys,

Are you going to deny that Highland Reel already was a top liner due to his having recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to his Cox Plate run against WINX.

Surely you would have to agree that this is the form of a topliner and indicative of having a live chance in any Cox Plate wouldnt you?

 

Gladys said "Think this scenario through. Horse  (Winx) gets flogged by plenty of average and above average horses. Average and above average horses leave the scene. Horse races against duds, stable mates, aged handicappers in choreographed guards of honour, with her best mate, Regumate."

Comedy gold Gladys. Well done!

Gary loves your posts King. You speak his language and hover on the same intellectual plain as that clown.

Gladys,

Re your:

"Now, back to the questions. Who was or were the horse(s) that were top liners when she met them."

I already told you Highland Reel was a top liner as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate.

I also said that I thought that this would be considered as good form leading into a Cox Plate.

Its obvious to me that you know now know that I am right and you are wrong.

Thats why you choose to avoid my opinion as you dont have the intestinal fortitude to comment or debate about what I have stated.

Highland Reel was a topliner already prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate, you know I'm right, yey the KING wins the dedate yet again!

Goosey Gladys does NOT have an answr to the superior inellect of the KING.

She has been outsmarted yet again by the all conquering KING.

Its obvious as she no longer has the guts to take me on and debate me as she knows that she will only end up with egg on her face and shooting herself in the foot yet again.

Its now obvious that Gladys is running scared from any form of debate with the KING.

What a weakling!

Gladys you are an ineffectual and cowardly person who is too frightenened to debate your KING because deep down you know he is right yet again!

All hail the victorious KING

We could always subscribe to your theory Gary. We have Winx getting flogged by plenty of horses of average ability at least and then they leave the scene. Now only someone who is a cerebral giant like your good self could see that Winx was just marking time until the good racing fairy flew past her stable and turned her into a champion just like in the fairy tales you and that other clown read.

Think this scenario through. Horse gets flogged by plenty of average and above average horses. Average and above average horses leave the scene. Horse races against duds, stable mates, aged handicappers in choreographed guards of honour, with her best mate, Regumate. Horse declared a champion and greatest of all time by Lord Gary.

See any issues in that logic? 

Now, back to the questions. Who was or were the horse(s) that were top liners when she met them. why is Regumate banned?

Here's some of your comical quotes, Gladys...

"We can also feel lucky that First Seal got injured and retired and that Astern went to stud otherwise she (Winx) probably wouldn't have won a race"; "Horses that have now left the scene, such as Fenway, Adrift, Gust of Wind and First Seal all had no trouble disposing of Winx."; "She was towelled by Fenway, First Seal, Arise and Gust of Wind. They left the scene and she  (Winx) took on no hopers."

There can be no doubt that Winx has been incredibly lucky because every horse that beat her in her 3yo days left the scene! Its just impossible for you to consider any other possibility, isnt it?! I'm starting to find your point of view hilarious. Cheers!

Gladys,

Re your:

"Not who did she beat that went on to become a top liner, but who did she beat that were top liners at that time."

IMO Highland Reel was already a topliner as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate.

I would have thought that this would be considered as very good form leading into a Cox Plate as IMO this sort of form is very much indicative of a high class racehorse.

What do you think Gladys?

Call me all the names you like. I could not care less. However, one thing you clowns can't answer is the same old tired question,"who did she beat". Not who did she beat that went on to become a top liner, but who did she beat that were top liners at that time.

Answer: No one. Not one. Stable mates, aged handicappers and welter horses. Oh hang on, that Hawkes' sprinter raced her over 1500 metres. Why didn't she try him on over 1200 metes.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'

Now Bootsie, what about the question regarding Regumate.

Gladys,, what a hair brained novice you are.

Re your statement:

"Highland Reel matured into a very good horse and went on to win good races."

Well I am not going to argue with that statement.

However listen here dopey it only took him approximately seven weeks from his WINX Cox Plate 3rd to supposedly mature (still a 3yo) to beat the already proven international superstar FLINTSHIRE by 1.4 len in the G1 Hong Kong Vase where Highland Reel carried only approx 2kg less than FLINTSHIRE

In the same race Preferment finished 7th, 7.6 len behind Highland Reel.

Prior to this race Preferment had won the G1 Turnbull Stakes, the G2 Hill Stakes & the G1 VRC Derby and of course went on to win some quality races thereafter.

FLINTSHIRE was no slouch.

G1 stats = 5 wins, 10 placings from 17 G1 starts

G2 stats - 1 win, 1 placing from 3 starts at G2

G3 stats - 1 win, no placings from 1 start at G3

EAT CROW once again Gladys anyone with half a brain will contest that I have absolutely destroyed your silly theory that Highland Reel only matured into becoming a very good horse after having run 3rd to WINX when he was a 3yo.

Yeah still a 3yo he had to mature all of seven weeks before blousing an international superstar by 1.4 len in an international G1 field.

Ha, ha, ha, haaaaaa what a goose you are Gladys!

 

 

"Astern would have flogged Winx"

Gladys, you've just hit a new low.. OMG!


Just like you and Gary, King, the answer is extremely simple.

Highland Reel matured into a very good horse and went on to win good races. Winx got flogged in her three year old year and went on to race against no hopers as the ones that had flogged her were no longer around.

Had Highland Reel come back to Australia or had Winx ever travelled (ha ha ha ha) he would have flogged her, as would have countless others. That is why she did not travel. You can't hide overseas and the races are not full of handicappers, stable mates and choreographed situations.

Good horse, best of her hopeless era, beat nuthin'.

As for your question Bootsie, Astern would have flogged Winx.

Now what about answering mine about Regumate?

Gladys,

How many times have you said that WINX had nuthin to beat?

If you genuinely believed this then why not simply, like a lot of people, have backed WINX time and time again either singularly or more particularly in a seies of all up bets?

My point is if you thought she had nuthin to beat then why bother laying her - that is unless of course your aim was to win less money.

In any case, re your: "Look at the price boofhead, The secret is to lay when you can also lay others as well." Talk is cheap Gladys. I don't beleive for one minute that you have developed a laying system where you are going to win each and every time and the bookies are going to lose each and every time.

How do I know that I am right?

I haven't seen too many bookies driving around in beat up old rusty Volvos recently!


Vinash & Gladys,

You both seem to be in agreement that Winx only beat poor opposition.

"there was no quality opposition" and or "beat nuthin"

Heres a simple challenge for you pair of supposed racing gurus.

I challenge you to come up with a horse that finished either 2nd or 3rd in any Cox Plate over the last thirty years that proved itself to be a higher class horse than the well performed renowned international star Highland Reel.

G1 stats - 7 wins, 7 placings from 22 starts & winner of over 11.5 million dollars

Come on have a go ya mugs, put up or shut up!

"You were found out Gary"

How did the inadvertant inclusion of "Astern" enhance my argument?

Humour me.

 

 

You were found out Gary. That is not the first time either is it?

Leave me out of your discussions and go back to fawning over your new bestie's comments.

What is your nick name Gary. It is not "Bootsie" is it.

I reiterate it is a statistical certainty that Chautauqua would have beaten Manikato over 1200 m at G1 WFA.

Why am I saying this?

Manikato never won a G1 1200m WFA race in his entire career.

King, your knowledge and attention to detail is incredible and I love reading your insights about our past topliners.

Gladys, just admit you have an obsession with leaders (Might and Power, Vo Rogue, Manikato, Sunline, etc) and that your head is still stuck in the previous century. Your nonsense arguments and lack of respect for fast finishers is fatiguing.

Khaptingly won't support you. You've created a new identity in Vinash, You made a major issue about my minor slipup, which is pathetic. You do not address any points raised by King, Your "dud opposition" argument is now that of  "performance enhancing medication".

Fifty five sensational wins by BC & W. You missed the lot. You have cynicism and contempt for all things modern, but hopefully, your Kodak celluloid footage of racing in the 70's, 80's and 90's will bring you much nostalgia and many tears of joy in your senior years.

 

 

Exactly Vinash. In her case it was stablemates, aged handicappers and the old gang from her stable running in perfect choreography.

Good horse, best of her pathetic era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

Whilst you are on a roll Gary, answer the question about Regumate please.

You get found out pretty easily when you mouth off, don't you Gary!

Gladys,

Re your:

"Just imagine what those horses that I mentioned would have done to the opposition that Winx beat. Name one, just one from her opposition that would have beaten Manikato up to a mile or Vo Rogue, Dulcify, Saintly at 2000 metres"

You are such a novice Gladys.

It is a statistical certainty that Chautauqua would have beaten Manikato over 1200 m at G1 WFA.

Saintly was NOT a G1 star over 2000 m at WFA as an alalysis of his record will prove.

He won the G1 Australian Cup as a 3yo beating Vialli.

Vialli only won one G1 2000 m WFA race in his entire racing career.

Saintly was beaten into 3rd in a lowly G3 Craven Plate 2000 m at WFA beaten by Adventurous.

Adventurous only ever won one G1 2000 m WFA race in his entire racing career.

Saintly won a G1 Cox Plate over 2040 m, although not technically 2000 m at WFA I suppose we could still give him some credit against his poor G1 2000 m WFA record.

But it is worth noting that Filante (who beat Saintly a number of times) was in fact marginally in front of him after 2000 m and with only 40 m to go.

Therefore it could be genuinely argued that Filante may well have had the ability to beat Saintly in a 2000 m G1 race at WFA.

Filante only ever won one G1 WFA race over 2000 m in his entire racing career.

Further to this although not technically a WFA race Saintly was also beaten in the G1 2000 m Rosehill Guineas as a 3 yo at SET WEIGHTS.

And as for Vo Rogue try as he might he couldn't even win one Cox Plate let alone four but then again he did win two Australian Cups however unfortunately he was also flogged in another.

Yeah, Vo Rogue won two Australian Cups but then again so did Harlem, oh and come to think of it he too just like Vo Rogue could NOT win a Cox Plate.

 

 

Benbatl was the 3rd best horse in the UK at that time.

What?

Benbatl ran in 5 G1's in the UK and wasn't placed in a single race. His losing distances in those 5 UK G1's were 3½, 11½, 5¼, 5¾ and 43½ lengths. He ran in 2 G1's in Australia, won the first and was placed behind Winx who beat him by 2L.

Winx was an amazing racehorse but she didn't have much opposition to beat. The fact that the likes of "Happy clapper" are named as her biggest rivals says it all. That being said, it isn't her fault that there was no quality opposition. You can only beat the horses that are put in front of you.

 

An error.

Good, thats one less horse that would have made the top ten in the world.

When did she race against Astern Gary?

Bit more of your poetic licence that you wheel out when found out?

"Winx raced against reasonable opposition in her early years and got flogged. That reasonable opposition then either retired, were injured or lost form...:"

Winx was "flogged" by ten greats including, First Seal, Adrift, Gust of Wind, Slghtly Sweet, Astern, Mossfun, Supara, Peggy Jean, Thunder Lady and Onemorezeta. If Winx was ranked as the World's best, then it appears that ten were even better. Australia is blessed. 

 

 

 

Not at all Gary. They all got beaten because they raced against quality opposition.

Winx raced against reasonable opposition in her early years and got flogged. That reasonable opposition then either retired, were injured or lost form and all that were left to race were the opposition that had been previously towelled by the aforementioned reasonable opposition.

Winx then went on to contest select races full of stable mates and other no hopers. There had been no weight for age horses in Australia  for years so the weight for age races were made up out of aged stayers all from her stable. They performed great deeds like forming a guard of honour, taking up the role of pacemaker when they had never led in their life and generally making sure that they kept right out of the way to ensure a smooth run to the finish for Winx.

Just imagine what those horses that I mentioned would have done to the opposition that Winx beat. Name one, just one from her opposition that would have beaten Manikato up to a mile or Vo Rogue, Dulcify, Saintly at 2000 metres or heaven forbid, Might and Power at 2400 metres.

I find the discussions (for want of a better word) with you and that other clown completely pointless. I think I will leave you two morons to your own mutual admiration society meetings. Maybe you can write to Bruce and have a three way howl.

Super Impose was a great G1 handicapper Docaster, Epsom, Doncaster, Epsom

BUT

Was it any wonder that Vo Rogue beat him time & time again at WFA as in reality he was not so good in G1 WFA races.

Try as he might history will show that he got beaten time & time again in G1 WFA races.

Yeah he won two Chipping Nortons & a Ranvet at G1 WFA but thats it, you cant count the debacle of a his Bradbury type Cox Plate win.

Even his trainer said he should NOT have won and that there is no question that Naturalism should have won that Cox Plate.

"I layed her about six times Gary. Whenever I see anything going around at $1.10 to $1.20 I like to lay them" Gladys, Winx was in that price range a hell of a lot more than 6 times!

"All the good horses got beat during their respective careers Gary because they came up against other good horses.." And there's your problem in a nutshell, Gladys. They ALL beat each other, ALL won their fair share of big races and therefore they were ALL champions. Its a wonderful story, but none of them were invincible - a concept which is clearly foreign to you.

 

 

 

 

Now Gary, answer my question.

Why is Regumate banned in all states except NSW. Why is it not allowed in the UK

I layed her about six times Gary. Whenever I see anything going around at $1.10 to $1.20 I like to lay them.

Of course Vo Rogue beat Super Impose Gary. He had no sprint left after chasing Vo Rogue. 

All the good horses got beat during their respective careers Gary because they came up against other good horses, not stable mates and bench mark no hopers like Winx did.

Enough with the BS, Gladys, how many times did you lay Winx in her last 33 starts?

As for Vo Rogue, didnt it demolish another of your champs, Super Impose, a few times? So, whats your point?

 

Look at the price boofhead, The secret is to lay when you can also lay others as well. 

Get someone to explain risk versus reward. Someone who is really patient and has experience conversing with total boneheads like yourself.

Gladys re your:

"She was a good horse, best of her era but just beat hopeless opposition, usually from her own stable."

"just beat hopless opposition"????

So if you had this opinion of her opposition then why did you declare her as a lay time & time again?

This does NOT make any sense to anybody except you Gladys.

Tell me Gladys was Red Excitement one of the ones that you expected to get up & knock off WINX during your continual laying WINX period?

And if NOT Red Excitement then perhaps you could share with us the hopless ones that you actually hoped would knock of WINX when you laid her time & time again.

You cant have it both ways Gladys, now you are saying she had hopless opposition but at the time you were prepared to lay her time and time again.

Come on Gladys how about you tell us say three or four horses that you thought at the time could knock off WINX in your WINX lays.

Are they only hopless opposition now because they did not get up & knock off WINX for you?

Gladys like I said before you are a massive CONTRADICTION time & time again.

Why would we take any notice of such a proven poor judge.

Gladys is undeniably on record as declaring that she was targetting WINX as a lay time & time again.

What a B00F Head

How was it an "impossible position" when she was just chasing rubbish Gary?

It is like Usain Bolt giving a few drunks from the local pub a forty metre start over one hundred metres.

If Red Excitement had been Vo Rogue she would have collapsed. Just ask the Freedmans about how Super Impose fared when Vo ran him into the ground and took away his sprint.

But then, he was probably a dud too.

She was a good horse, best of her era but just beat hopeless opposition, usually from her own stable.

Hey Gary,

Any wonder that poor old Gladys is up in arms.

She is still bitter about all the CASH that she lost declaring WINX as a lay time and time again in the hope that something like a Dandy Andy was going to knock her off.

But it never happend!

Poor D0PEY Gladys.

What do they say about a person who does the same thing over and over again expecting that there will be a different result.

I think its got something to do about being the first sign of madness or something like that.

Gladys, each time Winx came from an IMPOSSIBLE position, you would trash the opposition as being duds and no-hopers.

I just told you that Vo Rogue was beaten by a 150/ shot and you are up in arms..

Why?

Yes, you are absolutely right Gary. I don't know what I was thinking.

Phar Lap, Vain, Rising Fast, Bernborough, Tulloch, they all got beaten so they were complete duds too. Bradman got out to a few ordinary bowlers in his career, he must have been over rated too. 

The post by that total dullard King is just too ridiculous to even answer. You two clowns are a perfect match. Are you sure you are not one and the same? Surely, no two people could be that dumb.

 

Gladys,

Re your:

"name one horse that Winx defeated in races under a mile that would have got anywhere near Manikato."

 "That received no reply." ???????????? Thats BS I already told you the answer to this one months ago.

Answer = Chautauqua

Yes Chautauqua who did travel, unlike that dud handicapper called MANIKATO.

Remember when Gladys was damning Winx for not travelling or winning too many races under handicap conditions however she did win a number of G1 handicaps that she did participate in.

Manikato = a dud handicapper who did NOT travel.

Oh and dont worry about Dandy Andy Gary, yes Vo Rogue was a "GREAT HORSE" but the one that really had his measure was RUBITON.

Goodness gracious me..

Loved Vo Rouge. But didn't something at 150/1 named Dandy Andy beat it?

 

 

Don't waste your time with this clown Khap. He hasn't got an answer. I recall asking him and his boofheaded mate to name one horse that Winx defeated in races under a mile that would have got anywhere near Manikato. That received no reply. I then asked what horse(s) that Winx beat from 1600 to 2000  would have troubled Kingston Town, Dulcify,Vo Rogue or Super Immpose or for that matter any of our previous wfa stars. Same result.

Try a different question Khap. Why not ask why Regumate is banned everywhere except in NSW.

Good horse, best or her era, beat absolutely nuthin'.

 

You ignored the answers the first time, why would it be any different now?

Gary said

"You asked the "best 5" question a million times - and several have answered. You've ignored the answer, gone away for a period and then returned to ask the exact same question.  Anything else to offer?"

So several have answered, but Gary you have not provided your best 5. Gary you are the person trying to defend the quality that Winx defeated.  Gary you also claim several have answered, so back up your claim and point us to who they are and what horses they gave. After all you claim the search function is fabulous so it won't take you a moment and will back up that statement too. 

Third best in the UK at the time withlut winning a Group One race there?

Oh of course. That would be on some clown's "ratings".

No Khap my eye sight is not failing and I am not feeling flustered.

On the contrary I am seeing things crystal clear and feeling very

TRIUMPHANT & ELATED

Kiss my Royal Ring Losers

 

Benbatl second to Winx Cox Plate 2018.

Benbatl was the 3rd best horse in the UK at that time.

 

 

 

 

You asked the "best 5" question a million times - and several have answered. You've ignored the answer, gone away for a period and then returned to ask the exact same question.  Anything else to offer?

 

Gary said "Khap, I gave you a list of 20 local and overseas horses that Winx beat. The search function is brilliant for finding old posts."

Gary, I don't care about your list of what Winx beat. I can look that up in race results. I want to know what horses you would list as the best 5 horses that Winx defeated. That is what I asked. 

"The king" hey is your eye sight failing or are you just getting flustered.

 

if you can't explain your contradictions, best you say nothing and hope to hell that this debacle is eventually forgotten.

Nothing personal Gary, but frankly I could not care less what you think.

I know you consider yourself as the grand arbiter of all things factual but unfortunately for you I don't.

Instead of bothering with me why don't you go back to your ward and continue your views with the other peanut.

Gladys,

Surely you can see your numerous contradictions as pointed out by theking. You tried to justify your stance with arguments like (hasnt been overseas, times don't matter, what did it beat etc) but you have dug yourself into so many holes, and so many contradictions, that I'm actually feeling pity for you.

I'm not sure what I would do if I was in your position, but hurling insults at somebody after being slamdunked is not a mature way to lose an argument.

 

 

Why do people call people names when they are losing a debate, is it to deflect from the fact that their logic is flawed and they have LOST the debate?

I learned years ago Gary to never argue with an idiot.

They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Tell me though, are you in the same ward as that clown or just under the same shrink?

Gladys,

I'd like you to know that I don't enjoy seeing you get pummelled time and time again by theking. 

Cheers

 

I take it there is a severe staff shortage at the mental institution in which you have been placed King.

I bet they are all furiously looking for the laptop that you have managed to find.

 

Gladys you are the epitome of CONTRADICTION,

You wrote recently wrote:

"A Caulfield Cup in record time,"

But in the past you wrote:

"Race times are not the criteria."

And in regard to G1 handicaps you wrote:

"Victoria are all handicaps. Melbourne Cup, Caulfield Cup and the Newmarket."

And yet in relation to Might and Power you write:

"A Melbourne Cup beating Doremus (ever heard of him?),"

"it (Might & Power) is not a better horse, just better weighted.

AND

"They (including Might & Power) are handicappers racing against handicappers with the winner being the one that can carry weight.

There is no turn of foot, no acceleration, just one paced goats grinding away."

I reiterate, one minute you are saying:

"A Caulfield Cup (G1 hcp) in record time"

BUT

Not so long ago you said:

"There is no turn of foot, no acceleration, just one paced goats grinding away."

Go figure?

Sorry Gladys it would appear that you do not have any idea of what you really think or what you are actually trying to say.

You are one very extremely CONFUSED individual.

A further illustration of your total and indisputable CONFUSION is as follows.

You also lauded Might and Power for having won "A Cox Plate."

And yet in the past you are on record as having said:

"The Cox Plate does not rate."

Sorry Gladys but I am unsure that I should be bothering with you in the future as it would appear that not even you has any idea of what you are trying to say.

Gladys you can not dispute the disjointed facts shown above.

You may not realise it as yet but you are certainly one very CONFUSED individual.

PS

Did Might and Power travel any further afield than WINX?

Doremus, Gary, it beat Doremus. It was a Melbourne Cup Gary. it was over two miles Gary. Look at how much weight it went up after the Caulfield Cup win Gary. Look at previous top liners that never won a Melbourne Cup Gary. Might and Power was not a true two miler Gary. it was its heart and class that allowed him to lead all the way and win.

I don't understand how anyone who big notes themselves like yourself as being a racing fan could denigrate one of our great champions like Might and Power in an attempt to distract from the fact that Winx just beat no hoping duds that were invariably her stable mates all riding in the guard of honour formation.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'.

Might and Power IS/WAS a champion.  But it is a fact that it beat Harbour Dues and Markham by a mere length - which does not do it justice. I can see that, but you can't, because it is the same stupid logic that YOU use to belittle Winx.

Name ANY champion and you will find scores of "duds" that finished nearby, whether it be behind, or in front.  

If you think I need to explain why I thought Might and Power was a great champion Gary then you are an even bigger dill than I first thought.

Just try and imagine this: A Caulfield Cup in record time, A Melbourne Cup beating Doremus (ever heard of him?), A Cox Plate.

I think Rising Fast is the only other horse in history do accomplish that little feat.

I suggest you spend your time sending PMs to that bone head King and refrain from insulting the intelligence of racing fans.

"If she had come up against something like Might and Power she would have collapsed at the mile"

Gladys,

Markham finished less than a length behind in third place, with Harbour Dues a close up 4th in the 1997 Melbourne Cup. I'm not discrediting Might and Power by any stretch, but perhaps you can tell me how good Markham and Harbour Dues were. And then maybe you can revisit your comment about Winx collapsing at the mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaDte_FlZw4

Khap, I gave you a list of 20 local and overseas horses that Winx beat. The search function is brilliant for finding old posts.

 

Gary, some may have the impression that you have some knowledge of the career of Winx and the races she ran in. To uphold that impression that some may have, can you provide us with the names of the five best horses, in your opinion, that Winx met during her career.

If she raced the appallling opposition that she faced through her career, post three year old, I am sure you are correct Gary.

In fact, if she faced those duds, she would probably have won by about twenty lengths.

If she had come up against something like Might and Power she would have collapsed at the mile.

Winx by 10 lengths in any Melbourne Cup - and an end to its winning streak in the following year.

Winx would have KT's measure, except for the major part of their journeys as three year olds.

 

Re: "Kingston Town versus Winx over 1200 or 3200. Who have you got."????

The answer is obvious.

theking has always been and alwaways will be SUPERIOR!

 

I can Khap. It was those five aged stayers that came from her stable and formed the guard of honour on a regular basis.

Welcome back, at last we will get some sensible posts.

Kingston Town no doubt on the basis he continually defeated better horses than what Winx did. In fact after all these years no one has been able to tell us the best five horses that Winx beat.

Kingston Town versus Winx over 1200 or 3200. Who have you got.

Gladys,

You disappoint me, is that all you've got?

I'd say that the best word available to describe you and your recent posts is IMPOTENT.

I accept that when it comes to being an authority on fools and stupidity then you are the guru King. You are indeed the messiah of simpletons all over the world.

Another old saying is "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear or an idiot from any direction".

School goes back next week so I guess you will be quiet now for a while.

gladys,

There is an old saying which directly relates to you as soon as you have run out of anything you feel is credible to say and that is:

"Talk sense to a fool and they will call you foolish."

I have absolutely smashed you in this debate by simply providing FACTS which continually negated your fanciful statements about Winx.

You say that I need therapy but unfortunately it is you that is the one who is actually in need of therapy.

I reiterate the point that I have smashed you in this Winx debate simply because I have presented the actual FACTS.

You on the other hand are completely delusional

eg. You watch the replay of Winx's record breaking 2015 Cox plate winning by 4.8 lengths against by your own admission probably "the best field she ever faced"

BUT

You do not see a great CHAMP beating a high class field in race record time by 4.8 lengths like 99.9% of the Australian and International racing pundits

NO

All you see is your delusional version with Criterion being almost launched over the running rail causing interference to almost the entire field which was made up of "a few handicappers and load of aged stayers from the same stable."

Gladys there can be NO denying that your version of the 2015 Cox Plate is NOT in fact delusional as it is a FACT that the STEWARDS did NOT see or report any of the NONSENSICAL  FANTASY VERSION of events that you attempted to describe and convince us of.     

These are FACTS Gladys, your version simply DID NOT HAPPEN, you are delusional and obviously you are the one in need of therapy.   

Further to this I would like you to read the following with a view to:

A) You coming to terms with admitting to yourself that you are in fact delusional

B) Hopefully recognize just how wise your King thus no longer continuing to ignore his wise counsel.

C) Realize that your King is only trying to help you.           

"When a person says something that reveals foolish thinking — the wise person will recognize the foolishness and avoid engagement in any meaningful way. But it’s not the FOOLISHNESS ITSELF that determines our response. It’s the ATTITUDE of the fool (gladys) holding the viewpoint. Remember, one of the characteristics of a fool (gladys) is that they ignore wise counsel when they hear it. They think they understand when they don’t. So our words and arguments and logic are lost on the fool (gladys). Wisdom is like a foreign language to the fool (gladys). He doesn’t grasp it. He just doesn’t get it. So trying to reason with a fool (gladys) is just…well…unreasonable. So we should abandon the hope that we’re going to get any traction with a fool (gladys). We aren’t. That’s what MAKES THEM a fool (gladys).

They don’t listen to wise counsel from the KING.

 

Look at all the capitals, highlighting and colours you need to convince yourself King.

I bet you dream about me and your next response every night.

It is called "obsession". When is your therapist due back, must be soon or have you put him into therapy.

Hi Gladys,

Eating crow is a colloquial idiom, used in some English-speaking countries, that means humiliation by admitting having been proven wrong after taking a strong position. The crow is a carrion-eater that is presumably repulsive to eat in the same way that being proven wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow.

Gladys I reckon that you will be feeling like you have a large CROW BONE stuck in your throat about now.

Enjoy the experience L05ER

Gladys,

You have a massive appetite for EATING CROW

You said:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

WHAT A LOAD OF BS

I have watched this race over and over and it would appear that both myself and the STEWARDS did NOT see the fanciful interference that you describe as supposedly happening:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

Sorry NOVICE no amount of insistence from you that the interference actually took place as you described will convince anybody including the STEWARDS that it actually happened that way.

Dream on D0PEY if it actually happened it would have been stated in the STEWARDS REPORT.

Here is the Stewards Summary @ Cox Plate Day Published 25 Oct 2015 read it and weep as you polish off your latest CARRION CROW CARCASS.

 

Race 9 - WILLIAM HILL COX PLATE (Group 1) - 2040 metres:

  • Pornichet (FR) - connections advised would be ridden quieter from the wide gate; settled in a position worse than mid-field.
  • Criterion (NZ) - slow into stride. Checked off the heels of Winx near the 1600m. Checked severely near the 450m to avoid the heels of Winx which had improved to the inside of The Cleaner which after initially having shifted out was then straightened by its rider. In assessing the incident the Stewards could not be fully satisfied that Hugh Bowman (Winx) had a careless riding charge to answer, given the contributing factors in that The Cleaner, when being straightened, left insufficient room for two runners to the inside resulting in Criterion running out of room.
  • Preferment (NZ) - got its head up near the winning post the first time, when being steadied off the heels of Criterion (NZ).
  • Arod (IRE) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and through the middle stages. Hampered at the 500m when taken out off its course by The Cleaner which shifted out abruptly. Rider Craig Williams reported his mount pulled up poorly and a subsequent veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Gailo Chop (FR) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and in the middle stages.
  • Hartnell (GB) - steadied at the 500m to avoid the heels of Highland Reel (IRE) which was taken out by Arod (IRE) which in turn was taken out by The Cleaner, which shifted out abruptly when struck with the whip.
  • Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped by Arod (IRE) which had been taken out.
  • Complacent - raced three wide without cover. Rider James Doyle reported when placed under pressure it failed to respond and was most disappointing; a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Kermadec (NZ) - a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities other than a slower than normal recovery.

 

Yes I agree that was the best field she ever faced after the retirement of First Seal and the others.

Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field.

Had that not happened we would not be subjected to your and Gary's continual blathering.

Gladys you said:

"Take her out of the Cox Plates she won and give us all an appraisal of the opposition.

"more than half the field that had never won a Group One.

Eat crow dopey!

In her 2015 race record Cox Plate win by 4.8 lengths all but three of her opposition had all won at least one Group 1 race.

The only THREE exceptions were:

1. The Cleaner who had been beaten only 0.2 in the 2015 G1 Underwood Stakes.

2. Gailo Chop who had run 2nd in a G1 at Longchamp  France beaten only 1.5 len. 

Soon after his run in the 2015 Cox Plate he won the G1 Mackinnon Stakes.

3. Arod who ran 2nd G1 Goodwood beaten 0.5 len Sussex Stakes (British Championship Series)

Further to this, this field was made up of many horses who had performed well at the highest level on the international stage in a number of cases multiple countries and or continents.

She blitzed a high class field by 4.8 len in record time.

As an afterthought Gary, I can recall Khap continually posting about the duds in Australian racing and repeatedly calling for the names of quality horses that Winx had beaten.

Strangely, he then had trouble posting. I imagine I am on borrowed time to as I continue to challenge the views of Team Gary.

Maybe only one critic at a time is allowed on this site.


 

Khap posted a while back Gary and gave me plenty of encouragement. It seems since the move to the new format he has trouble having his posts published.

He is not alone in that. It seems everyone has deserted the ship including your sycophantic fan club president L. Rex.

In any event, I don't need to have a mass following before I express an opinion. It would seem you get a bit uncomfortable if you haven't got the mob behind you.

You're on your own Gladys. Not even Khap and Fairburn have come to support you.

Pointless discussing this with you or Gary. Go on living in fantasy land together.

She got 2 kilos off no hoping aged stayers who were her stablemates. Older horses that raced against her had their opportunities to run in and win Group races but were too hopeless.

When she retired all these horses were then rounded up flogged by a couple of nine year olds with crook feet.

We have not had a decent weight for age horse besides her since So You Think. Speaking of which, what do you think he would have done to the camels she beat.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin' but aged stablemates and other duds.

 

Gladys you are showing yourself up as a novice yet again with the following silly comments.

"Given that we have about 74 Group Ones"

How many of these 74 G1s are restricted to 2 & 3 year olds?

"more than half the field that had not won at weight for age and more than half the field that had never won a Group One."

Its pretty hard to win a G1 or WFA race when Winx was racing derrrrr!

I agree King. She did all those things. It was really easy too when you had no opposition, no pressure, just a few stablemates and a few assorted handicappers to beat.

Take her out of the Cox Plates she won and give us all an appraisal of the opposition. In at least two there was more than half the field that had not won at the distance, more than half the field that had not won at weight for age and more than half the field that had never won a Group One.

Given that we have about 74 Group Ones and that all but about half a dozen are Mickey Mouse races, quite easy to see how she did it.

Look at the list you provided. What do you think each of them would have done to the goats she beat.

Gladys the F00L

What did Winx beat?

She beat:

1. The record for the most number of Cox Plate wins. Even the great champion KINGSTON TOWN try as he might could not win four Cox Plates. (I for one never thought that I would see his record broken)

2. The course and race record for the Cox Plate multiple times.

3. The times that all of the following GREAT horses could only manage in winning their respective Cox Plates over the previous FORTY YEARS. (only a F00L would disregard this stat)

2014 Adelaide (IRE) 2011 Group 1 2040m
2013 Shamus Award (AUS) 2010 Group 1 2040m
2012 Ocean Park (NZ) 2008 Group 1 2040m
2011 Pinker Pinker (AUS) 2007 Group 1 2040m
2010 So You Think (NZ) 2006 Group 1 2040m
2009 So You Think (NZ) 2006 Group 1 2040m
2008 Maldivian (NZ) 2002 Group 1 2040m
2007 El Segundo (NZ) 2001 Group 1 2040m
2006 Fields Of Omagh (AUS) 1997 Group 1 2040m
2005 Makybe Diva (GB) 1999 Group 1 2040m
2004 Savabeel (AUS) 2001 Group 1 2040m
2003 Fields Of Omagh (AUS) 1997 Group 1 2040m
2002 Northerly (AUS) 1996 Group 1 2040m
2001 Northerly (AUS) 1996 Group 1 2040m
2000 Sunline (NZ) 1995 Group 1 2040m
1999 Sunline (NZ) 1995 Group 1 2040m
1998 Might And Power (NZ) 1993 Group 1 2040m
1997 Dane Ripper (AUS) 1993 Group 1 2040m
1996 Saintly (AUS) 1992 Group 1 2040m
1995 Octagonal (NZ) 1992 Group 1 2040m
1994 Solvit (NZ) 1988 Group 1 2040m
1993 The Phantom Chance (NZ) 1989 Group 1 2040m
1992 Super Impose (NZ) 1984 Group 1 2040m
1991 Surfers Paradise (NZ) 1987 Group 1 2040m
1990 Better Loosen Up (AUS) 1985 Group 1 2040m
1989 Almaarad (IRE) 1983 Group 1 2040m
1988 Our Poetic Prince (AUS) 1984 Group 1 2040m
1987 Rubiton (AUS) 1983 Group 1 2050m
1986 Bonecrusher (NZ) 1982 Group 1 2050m
1985 Rising Prince (AUS) 1980 Group 1 2050m
1984 Red Anchor (NZ) 1981 Group 1 2050m
1983 Strawberry Road (AUS) 1979 Group 1 2050m
1982 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1981 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1980 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1979 Dulcify (NZ) 1975 Group 1 2000m
1978 So Called (NZ) 1974 Principal race 2040m
1977 Family Of Man (AUS) 1973 Principal race 2040m
1976 Surround (NZ) 1973 Principal race 2040m
1975 Fury's Order (NZ) 1970 Principal race 2040m
1974 Battle Heights (NZ) 1967 Principal race 2040m
   

4. Add to this some of the greats who although attempted to win a Cox could not manage to win one let alone four, there are no doubt many other examples but here are a few that come immediately to mind:

LONHRO,   VO ROGUE,   DEFIER,   FILANTE,   NATURALISM

 

That is really rich coming from you Gary., given the name calling coming from you against any one who questions your proclamations about the greatest horse ever born.

Nowhere did I say they were prematurely retired champions, that is just more of your lying to justify your adulation of the horse.

Read what I said and perhaps it will permeate your thick scone. No one, not even a self proclaimed Einstein like yourself, can predict how far those horses may have gone with their achievements. All one can do is look at what they did achieve, ie, towelling your dud beater,and then drawing a conclusion that if they remain sound, they could go on to anything.

Any horse out of the past who was any good would have flogged the non existent competition that she faced. The fact she won all those races was testament to the fact that there was no opposition except a few handicappers and load of aged stayers from the same stable.

Look at Manikato and the good horses he beat. Tell me anyone of those that raced predominantly against their own stablemates.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin' but no hoping duds.

Gladys,

Re your:

"How long did it take you to write that emotional drivel, King?"

I type at approximately 50 words per minute.

Here's a challenge for you NOVICE, even a 6th class kid could answer you question but given your lack of understanding iof the relationship between speed and time, I very much doubt that you have the ability to answer your own question.

Perhaps you could get an @dult to help you with it, come on Gladys surprise us all and work out the answer & while your at it man up & also give us your answer to my previous question.

Is it A) or B)?

If you don't have anything to say, attack the writer. That's great form, Gladys.

You say that there were three prematurely retired champions (Fenway, First Seal and Gust of Wind), who had the wood on Winx (while she was still developing), yet you fail to mention, Slightly Sweet. Why is that?

Slightly Sweet met Winx twice and beat her both times. Why does she not get a mention?

 

How long did it take you to write that emotional drivel, King?

Did you have to take medication or counselling breaks during its composition?

I guess you will be spending the next few days in a darkened room with your Winx flag and cap talking to Gary on the phone for comfort.

Gladys the novice,

Re your:

"Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain."

1. There is no such horse as Yamizaki. (in the Aus Studbook)

2. I assume that a novice such as yourself was actually talking about YamAzaki

3. She DID NOT run the final "furlong" in 10.5 seconds

4. In the race that she won at the Gold Coast to which you referred the final 600 m was run in 34.59.

5. At her next race start the final 600 m was also run in 34.59 however she ended up finishing seventh out of sixteen horses.

6. The point you seem to miss in all this Gladys the novice is that Winx had the ability to run fast times in all sections of her record time winning Cox plates not just in the final 600 m or 200 m portions of the race which you seem to want to dwell on.

7. If she "ONLY" ran a fast final 600 m or 200 m pure mathematics in relation to the time it takes you to get from point A (start) to Point B (finish line) would prove that to run a couple of Cox Plate race records she would also have to have been running fast sectionals in the other parts of the race otherwise mathematically it would have  been impossible for these race records to be achieved.

8. Sorry Gladys but if you have any hope of rising above novice class in your desire to communicate with other well educated racing people I suggest that you do a remedial maths course in the hope of gaining a basic understanding of speed and time. 

9. Your silly suggestion that Yamizaki??? could be better than Vain shows you up for the F00L that you are. It may well have run approximately 10.5 seconds for the final furlong??? in winning a race but the point you seem to miss is that none of this counts unless it can also sustain reasonably good or fast sectionals within the race as well (like WINX) if it has any hope of winning.

10. Many years ago I knew a bloke who had a filly that could burn the track up & produce amazing sectionals over the last 200 m but unfortunately it would give up like a pricked balloon at the 700 m mark even in a 900 m race at Newcastle. Yeah this filly had speed to burn but they could never find a race short enough for it. (never won a race or even placed)

11. NOVICE I hope you appreciate me taking the time to help to educate you, please oh please do not take my suggestion about booking yourself into a remedial maths course lightly.

12. Perhaps after your remedial maths course you may feel a little more confident in attempting to address an answer to my A) or B) question to you.

13. Yeah one can only hope, it is a very simple multiple choice question for a very simple girl but it would appear that as yet you have neither the confidence or the ability to give me an answer.

 

8. 

I bet Gladys isn't Gladys. That's a moral. He's throwin the bait out tho!

Yes Gary, they all beat her quite convincingly and who knows what they might have done if they kept on improving.

As to what they may have actually achieved who knows. Of course a big know it all like yourself would know but us mere mortals could only guess.

One thing I am sure of though is that if they had kept on racing in their previous form we wouldn't be talking about Winx and her records. They wouldn't exist.  Instead the wins were just racked up as she took on those no hoping stablemates and other duds season after season.

 

 

"I also conceded she was unbeatable in the races she competed in after First Seal and a couple of others gave it away."

Gladys, you are implying that these THREE horses were superior to Winx! This means we lost THREE potential world champions to injury or retirement in just a few short months?!. 

Effectively Winx rose to prominence only after these THREE left the racing scene?!

If just one of the THREE had continued racing, I presume it would have won five Cox Plates and recorded 40 consecutive wins?!

Jeez, how lucky was Winx to avoid that trio of champions?!

 

Gladys,

Re your:

"Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain."

YOU ARE SUCH A NOVICE!

I am beginning to think that you are one of those d0pes that says things like:

If Black Caviar was so good then why didn't they put her in the Melbourne Cup.

According to your logic an Oakleigh Plate winner should be trained to win a Cox Plate

I would be extremely happy if I was one of the connections Piggy.

I also conceded she was unbeatable in the races she competed in after First Seal and a couple of others gave it away.

I also have always conceded she was the best of her era and a very good horse.

What I don't concede if that she ever competed against anything with talent except a three year old on the way up. Had Criterion not been almost put over the running rail the whole story would have been completely different.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

The last 260 odd horses that she raced. I don't think you would carry on with this cr*p if you had a piece of the action. Cheers, The Pig.

I try not to respond to your drivel King, as even though you are probably a nice chap away from the keyboard, you' re unfortunately a total dunce.

Like Gary, you are totally obsessed with using times to justify your obsession with your horse.

Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain.

Now there's a good chap. Run along and watch the reruns of Winx beating up the guard of honour and have a joint howl with your new best friend.

 

Gladys you have obviously been snookered yet again again by your King's superior intellect.

Just answer the question oh gutleS5 one, it aint that hard!

Come on [email protected] what is your answer  A)  or  B)  ?

When does your therapist return from Christmas leave King?

Gladys,

The following is as far away as you could probably get from your "A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint"

"She first made Cox Plate history in 2015 setting a race record, but blitzed her own record with her third success in 2017. Winx also made the history books in 2016 setting the eight length winning margin record in the ‘Race Where Champions Are Made’."

Yes the great Winx could reel off some amazing sectionals in the final sprint home but even she could not set Cox plate race and course records simply by only providing a sprint at the end.

Pure mathematics will prove even to a novice like you Gladys that Cox Plate records can not be achieved with a combination of "A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint".

The point is that the preceding sections of the race record Cox Plate wins could NOT have been "A leisurely stroll" or the Cox Plate race records could NOT have been achieved unless of course the sprint home by Winx was that of some sort of SUPER HORSE producing a sprint at the end the like of which has never been seen before.

Come on Gladys its multiple choice give us an answer is it A) or B)?

A) The sections of the race record Cox Plates prior to the sprint at the end were NOT "A leisurely stroll"

OR

B) The sections of the race record Cox Plates prior to the sprint at the end were in fact run at "A leisurely stroll" and the only reason that Winx was able to run Cox Plate records was because she was in FACT some sort of SUPER HORSE producing a sprint at the end the like of which has never been seen before.

What is your answer gutle55 Gladys,is it  A) or B) ?

Failure to give us a simple answer of either A) or B) will be an admission on your part that you are in fact a mealy mouthed novice who knows very little about racing.

PS

Gary Gladys is in denial about a number of things but here are a few of the obvious ones

1. She is in denial about wishing that she could have a friend like Gary!

2. She is in denial that Winx was a CHAMPION.

 

"A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint"..sounds a bit like taking on stablemates that are aged one paced stayers and a few random handicappers doesn't it.

Now, where have I seen that happening?

Am I dreaming, or has the "Add Reply" option been removed?

King, apart from Winx's World ranking, about what is Gladys in denial?  

 

 

Gladys,

"Winx went on to become arguably the greatest Cox Plate winner of all time when her 2018 success saw her become history’s only four-time champion. She first made Cox Plate history in 2015 setting a race record, but blitzed her own record with her third success in 2017. Winx also made the history books in 2016 setting the eight length winning margin record in the ‘Race Where Champions Are Made’."

ONE OF YOUR NOMINATED GREAT HORSES OF THE PAST IN VO ROGUE COULD NOT WIN EVEN ONE COX PLATE LET ALONE RUN A COURSE OR RACE RECORD IN THIS EVENT

PS

Re the Christmas night the 26th

I have been waiting to say this, "GLadys you are obviously IN DENIAL".

"I saw Might and Power break 32 for 600m in a track gallop with one horse in between races at Rosehill one day Gary"

A track gallop is a leisurely stroll ending with a sprint. It is not a race. What's your point?

 

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I have asked (begged) R&S to disable or conceal the "add reply" button.

She ran the last 400 in 22.02 seconds.

I saw Might and Power break 32 for 600m in a track gallop with one horse in between races at Rosehill one day Gary.

If there is no pressure on during a race most reasonable horses can reel off a good finishing time. How many reeled off good times when they were chasing Vo Rogue or Manikato. No one. Super Impose had no sprint left when he chased Vo Rogue.

What is your point Gary. Good horse, best in era, beat nuthin'

Let it rest.

Gary, when you stop sobbing about her retirement go on to U Tube and have a look at horses like All Silent in the Patinack, Chautauqua in the TJ Smith and Super Impose in his Doncaster/Epsoms win, with top weight I might add.

Just watch the starts they gave away against good horses and they rounded them up. Look at the old handicap races at the trots. Off a standing start they would give away up to 100 metres over a mile and round them up,

She ran down a bunch of no hopers that were not group horses. With due respect, her opposition were third raters and you know it.

Trying to ridicule me or banging on about how she won means nothing. She just beat duds.

 

If they were racing against the opposition they usually faced, with the exception of Manikato, they would struggle

If they would racing against the no hopers she beat they would do it on their ear.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that "Might and Power, Sunline, So You Think, Vo rogue or Manikato" could have given the leaders in a 1300 metre race, a 7 length start with just 200 metres to run and handed out a thrashing.

Gary,  you have to be kidding. Any half decent horse of yesteryear would have flogged the pathetic competition that Winx faced.

She was a very good horse who was blessed to run in an era of total duds. She beat aged handicappers, second rate plodders and stable mates forming a guard of honour. She had the benefit of being shrewdly placed and kept sound. Regular doses of Regumate did the rest. Tell me, why is Regumage banned overseas. What happened to BC when she was forced to race without it overseas. She fell in at Ascot against a horse that had never won over the distsnce and all we got was that tripe about her being injured. If she was injured she would not have run or been allowed to run.

Back to Winx, she was the best of her era but beat nuthin'

All that tripe about race callers falling to their knees. In every sport you have a broadcaster shouting hysterically about the most minor things. I know you love it because it suits your mindset. I am sure you were sobbing away when the media interviewed the jockey's wife and child and would have been in convulsions when the they turned up in the open car at last year's Cox Plate.

Instead of asking me stupid questions just answer this one. Name one of the greats of yesteryear who would have been beaten by any of the no hopers that Winx beat. What do you think Might and Power,Sunline, So You Think, Vo rogue or Manikato would have done to that list of duds you provided.

 

Gladys, you said - "You forgot to include Sons of John, L'Esquetie Spirit. Red Excitement and Foxwedge."

Regarding Sons of John's race - Winx was first up at 1300 metres-

At the 400m - Winx (ridden by Jmac) was last, had to check off heels and was going nowhere.

At the 300m - Still last. JMac pulls out to make a run.

At the 200m - Making ground, but still seven lengths behind.

At the 120m - The racecaller calls Winx as being 5 lengths behind.

The racecaller takes his eyes off her and doesnt see her again until two strides from home.

She wins and the racecaller drops to his knees.

Everybody except you witnessed a champion.

Australia has been blessed with a number of great horses over the past few decades. Please provide a list of those that could have done what Winx did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuiYGHVQqTU


 

You forgot to include Sons of John, L'Esquetie Spirit. Red Excitement and Foxwedge.

How depressing is it to read through that list. Hartnell and Benbatl were third raters brought over here because they could not win in Europe and Highland Reel went on to better things.

The rest, with the exception of Happy Clapper and Chautauqua, are total no hopers and pin up horses for bookmakers.

 

I wouldn't call Chautauqua a "no hoper". 

He was a sprinter. He faced Winx at 1500m in the G1 George Ryder Stakes. 1500m was not his go despite him finishing 3rd to Winx (by 8.6 lengths) in that George Ryder Stakes in 2017.

This list was provided a year ago.

Daylight
Happy Clapper
Egg Tart
Benbatl
Humidor
Youngstar
Daylight
Kings Will Dream
Le Romain
Gailo Chop
Kementari
Hartnell
Daylight
Chautauqua
Black Hart Bart
Hauraki
Rebel Dane
Daylight
Azkadellia
Kermadec
Press Statement
Solicit
Highland Reel

Daylight

and...Vadamoss
 

This has really gripped everyone's imagination, hasn't it.

Why don't you name the ten best horses that Winx beat.  That will completely do your head in.

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