What did Winx beat?

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Good to hear from you Count. Yes it is fun. I tune in each morning and give the ventriloquist and his dummy a clout around the ears and then retire whilst they underline, colour, increase size in their stupid replies before they go back to sobbing through replays of Winx beating Invictus Prince and Sons of John.

Unbelievable! This is like Days Of Our Lives, where you can tune in once a year and pick up where you left off last time without missing a beat. The funny thing is, all you guys think you're winning the argument. Until the same time next year, carry on.

You don't need to be Einstein to figure out why they were not game to take Winx overseas.

All these Timeform ratings though are basically a crock. Winx had these high ratings yet she beat nothing.

It is a bit like a second grade cricket player flogging the bowlers in the local pub team and then having someone assert that the second grade cricket player is the best test player in the world even though he has never got out of second grade.

Yes it was a great performance by Stradavarius. The only race I saw over the carnival and so glad I did. Hopefully on to the Arc.

 

 

See article...Stradavarius has been given a provisional Timeform rating of 130:

 

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/timeform-strad-hits-130-high/181037

 

 

 

A dominant win.

We have all seen it countless times Gary. If the positions during the race were reversed you would all be on here telling the faithfull how she should have won.

Now, that question about Regumate and the quality wfa horses she beat!

There would be more noise in a tomb compared to your silence.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin.

King and Gladys, here is a birdseye, closeup view of the interference at the 500m.

Just copy and paste:---->    https://youtu.be/RClrPLG5mwI

Let me know if you have any problems.

Cheers..

 

Gladys,

Re tour:

"Even as a three year old, had Highland Reel not been checked he would have beaten her"

CHECKED????

Perhaps you could tell us just where it was that Highland Reeel was actually checked.

Oh and after you are finished attempting to convince us of this imaginery check then perhaps you can then write to the stewards and have them revise the official stewards report to include your imaginary check.

Strewth. I have the ventriloquist and the dummy not only using large print and colours but now highlighting their histrionics.

In answer to your stupid suggestion Klown, she would not have needed to be hit with anything to beat the duds that she did. The jockey could have stopped and signed a few autographs in the straight at the 200m and still beat those no hopers.

You both can crow on all you like with comments about me, how fast she ran when beating no hopers, race records, the lot. One thing you can't crow about are the names of the quality opposition she beat for one plain reason. She beat absolutely nuthin. Even as a three year old, had Highland Reel not been checked he would have beaten her

As for having no idea Gary, give me your ideas on Regumate and why it is banned. If that does your head in, give me the names of good wfa horses she beat.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

"how many times was WINX touched with the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m?" 

And yet she still set a new a race and course record

Too many unanswered questions Gladys. Too much bulldust, ignorance and a feeble attempt to deflect attention from your latest infantile observations. You simply have no f....n idea..

Gladys,

You've got nothin Gladys hence you are now gurgling down the plughole at a speed aligned to an ever increasing vortex.

Why is it that you can NOT stick to the subject at hand.

Heres your chance to redeem yourself.

Do you have the guts to answer the question previously asked of you?

"how many times was WINX touched whith the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m?" 

Have you ever thought of playing the club circuit with your ventriloquist act, Klown.

I am sure that your dummy would like it.

Do you have any other colours that you like to use Gary?

Gladys,

"Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped"

Re your: "When you stop sobbing have a look at what the stewards said about Highland Reel. Do you think that may have accounted in any small way for his defeat?"

Yes I would have to agree that this "bump" may have been a minor contributing factor that  may have accounted in a small way for his defeat. But the fact is that Highland Reel had a full 500m to recover from this "bump" and run down WINX but the reality is that at no time within this last 500m did he make any ground on WINX who coasted to the line over the final 50m.

Further to this, how many times was WINX touched whith the whip let alone slapped with the whip over the last 100m? IMO had Bowman actually ridden her out hard over the last 100m, even if only hands and heels let alone using the whip, WINX would have beaten Highland Reel by a consevative margin of ten lengths or so.

Yes Highland Reel copped a bump, but there is no way that this bump was sufficient enough to have cost it ten lengths or even his official beaten margin of 5.6 len.

"My comments were that most of the field would have beaten her had the interference not occurred."

Even though "most of the field" suffered zero interference!

As usual Gladys, absoutely hilarious!

 

Tell me Gary. Why is it that you and the ventriloquist both feel the need to use large print, red print, underlining and highlighting.

Is it because that is your role as the dummy or is it because you and he are one and the same?

"Of course I stand by my comments" means what it says Gary. My comments were that most of the field would have beaten her had the interference not occurred. That means "yes".

Now go off on a tangent and analyse every word, parse the verbs, check for correct inflections, anything you like to try and cloud the issue, being she just beat hopeless duds.

This particular Cox Plate field was not much but had The Cleaner not lived up to his name and do that to the field, she would have finished out of a place.

Now hang in there. The ventriloquist will be along soon to give you some more lines that you can highlight and print in red.

How about giving us a few of the good horses she beat. Highlight them and print them in red. Fat chance of that happening.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'! 

"Would have been cleaned up by most of the field.."

Are you retracting this, yes or no?

Of course I stand by my comments.

What did you think James Bester was going to say? "We wuz robbed"?

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

Hey Gladys, let me understand - are you now retracting the "Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred." and are now just focussing on Highland Reel?

Highland Reel's jockey Ryan Moore said "I thought he ran a good race. Winner was impressive"

Coomore's James Bester said "We have no complaints"...."He's (Highland Reel) run a fabulous race"

The stewards comments said Highland Reel was "hampered" when "bumped" by Arod.

And you reckon its ME thats a "sobbing mess"?

yeah, beat nuthin, again and again and again and again and again and again..........

When you stop sobbing have a look at what the stewards said about Highland Reel.

Do you think that may have accounted in any small way for his defeat?

Reverse the positions of Winx and Highland Reel, do you think the result would still have been the same?

Read the stewards' report below Gary. Don't just paraphrase a few lines and then add in the beaten margin to make your point.

If that is too difficult for your cerebral capabilities just have a a look at the race replay. This time, instead of being a sobbing mess, try to stay composed and have a look at what happened when The Cleaner shifted out. Those beaten horses were not back 12 lengths when that happened.

How many times have you been caught out by either Khap or myself when you attempt to be creative with the truth?

 

Gladys, you know how much I appreciate your humour. This is your best yet!!

Winx "Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred."

The 4th horse PORNICHET suffered ZERO interference - beaten 9 lengths

The 5th horse HARTNELL was "steadied off heels" - beaten 10 lengths

The 6th and 7th horses FAWKNER and THE CLEANER suffered ZERO interference - beaten 12 lengths.

The 8th horses GAILO CHOP suffered ZERO interference - beaten 12 lengths

The 9th horse PREFERMENT suffered ZERO specified interference - beaten 12 lengths.

The 10th horse HAPPY TRAILS  suffered ZERO interference - beaten 13 lengths

The 11th horse AROD was hampered and taken off its course, but jock reported it raced poorly.- beaten 14 lengths.

The 12th horse MOURINHO suffered ZERO interference - beaten 16 lengths.

The 13th horse KERMADEC suffered ZERO interference - beaten 20 lengths.

The 14th horse COMPLACENT suffered ZERO intereference - beaten 35 lengths..

So, when you say that WINX would have been "cleaned up by most of the field" to which horses are you referring?

 

A little bit more to add Gary...

Would have been cleaned up by most of the field in her first Cox Plate had the interference not occurred.

The ventriloquist has been kind enough to post the stewards' report.

One does not need science to prove the bleeding obvious Gary.

Tune in to Sydney racing this weekend  when Invictus Prince will be running. This fine horse ran a close second to your champion.

If that is not enough proof watch a rerun of last Saturday's Stradbroke. Look towards the rear of the field at the finishing line and you will see Kementari. Another one that came close to her.

If that is not enough then have a gaze at Sons Of John, Lesqueti Spirit, Red Excitement plus any of the aged stayers who made up the choreographed processions.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

Gladys, you said several times you would provide a (scientific) basis to prove that Winx's opposition was poor compared to previous decades. Where is it?

Many people also think that Winx competed against and beat good horses Gary.

I have never commented on the three scenarios you mentioned Gary so your opinion of what mould I may fit is only another one of your baseless slurs to deflect the truth.

There is one mould that you fit very comfortably Gary. It is the one I mentioned in the first sentence.

Gladys,

Many people think that the Moon landing, Covid crisis and the basis for the twin towers collapse are fake.

You fit the mould.

I think the other nineteen had similar ability too, Gary. 

I see the ventriloquist and his dummy are still in lock step.

Gladys,

What happened to your:  "Topic closed for me."

You are like a dog with a bone or more fittingly a b!ch wid a bone who does not want to give it up.

Strange how you happily yielded before but are now back for even more ridicule.

Further to this I find it odd that when you are lauding horses like Manikato or Might and Power you are very fothcoming in nominating the best horses that they beat

BUT

When it comes to WINX and the subject of who the best horses that she beat all you want to do is list the duds that she beat rather than the BEST horse she beat.

My point here of course is that when we discuss what a great horse that say Kingston Town was we never list the duds that he beat, what would be the point?

Similarly there is no point to listing a string of duds that WINX may have beaten is there?

The fact is that WINX smashed Highland Reel in a Cox Plate, who consequently smashed the French Champion and international superstar FLINTSHIRE approximately seven weeks after being placed behind WINX.

In this race the G1 Hong Kong Vase Flintshire the defending champion drew past Highland Reel who at one stage then looked beaten before digging in like the superstar that he was to fight back and win this race running away.

If anybody doubts the quality of Highland Reel take a look at this promotional video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOjgRaWJEA

Yes. It was one of twenty.

Isn't Kementari one of the horses that you mentioned when asked as to what good horses Winx had defeated, Gary?

Gladys,

WHAT A LOAD OF BS

I have watched this race over and over and it would appear that both myself and the STEWARDS did NOT see the fanciful interference that you describe as supposedly happening:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

Sorry NOVICE no amount of insistence from you that the interference actually took place as you described will convince anybody including the STEWARDS that it actually happened that way.

Dream on D0PEY if it actually happened it would have been stated in the STEWARDS REPORT.

Here is the Stewards Summary @ Cox Plate Day Published 25 Oct 2015 read it and weep as you polish off your latest CARRION CROW CARCASS.

 

Race 9 - WILLIAM HILL COX PLATE (Group 1) - 2040 metres:

  • Pornichet (FR) - connections advised would be ridden quieter from the wide gate; settled in a position worse than mid-field.
  • Criterion (NZ) - slow into stride. Checked off the heels of Winx near the 1600m. Checked severely near the 450m to avoid the heels of Winx which had improved to the inside of The Cleaner which after initially having shifted out was then straightened by its rider. In assessing the incident the Stewards could not be fully satisfied that Hugh Bowman (Winx) had a careless riding charge to answer, given the contributing factors in that The Cleaner, when being straightened, left insufficient room for two runners to the inside resulting in Criterion running out of room.
  • Preferment (NZ) - got its head up near the winning post the first time, when being steadied off the heels of Criterion (NZ).
  • Arod (IRE) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and through the middle stages. Hampered at the 500m when taken out off its course by The Cleaner which shifted out abruptly. Rider Craig Williams reported his mount pulled up poorly and a subsequent veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Gailo Chop (FR) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and in the middle stages.
  • Hartnell (GB) - steadied at the 500m to avoid the heels of Highland Reel (IRE) which was taken out by Arod (IRE) which in turn was taken out by The Cleaner, which shifted out abruptly when struck with the whip.
  • Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped by Arod (IRE) which had been taken out.
  • Complacent - raced three wide without cover. Rider James Doyle reported when placed under pressure it failed to respond and was most disappointing; a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Kermadec (NZ) - a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities other than a slower than normal recovery.

 

Yay, Gladys has finally yielded to the superior intellect of her King.

SHE HAS GIVEN UP!

I guess that she will now reteat back to her OWN little fantasy land where she conjures up fanciful visions of all sorts of severe menacing interference to horses in her head that the stewards fail to see or even report on.

Yes, Gladys has thrown in the towel, victory to her King but mind you I cant help but feel that it is a bit of a hollow victory as afterall its only a victory over a poor misguided nitwit who imagines and sees things in her head which she is convinced are actually real.

Who kows, in poor old Gladys' fatasy world perhaps she only ever saw WINX struggling in each and every one of her wins winning by a margin of only a half a head or so.

However even taking all that into consideration (victory over a nitwit) I am now once again feeling

TRIUMPHANT & ELATED

Kiss my Royal Ring Loser

Quick, look over there. Hang on, here is some more history of the turf, what next, a few insults, quick a few more stats about Highland Reel...blah blah blah.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'

The best you can do is name a sprinter running over 1500 metres, a journey man horse copping severe interference which nearly brought down half the field and a horse that later went on to win some races.

Give up, you have got nuthin'. Accept the facts, she just was placed against and beat nuthin' but no hoping stablemates in a choreographed procession.

Topic closed for me.

Gladys,

Your original question was about who were the best five horses in order to have beaten WINX.

In the past I have given you my opinion in regard to the Best, 2nd best & 3rd best however as soon as I give you a selection, any selection you introduce some extra criteria in attempt to discredit my selections.

The original question does not come with additional criteria it simply asks who were the best five horses in order that WINX beat, thats it no more no less.

SOME examples of extra criteria that you have in the past introduced AFTER the original question had been put to discredit my selections have been,

No you have to only nominate Australian horses,

No it cant be a 3yo or a young horse,

No it cant be a world class sprinter being beaten over 1500m,

Oh and now it has to be "an established proved weight for age horse." etc, etc.....

What next?

It wouldnt surprise me if the next criteria that you set were along the lines of no you cant have chestnut or grey horses or ones with four white sox or ones with a white blaze etc, etc..........

Gladys, you say: "I didn't ask for a horse that may have improved later,"

Yes thats right, you are correct, the fact is that you originally only simply asked fot the Best five horses in order to have been beaten by WINX, plain and simple, NO additional criteria.

I gave you my opinion but this does not and will never satisfy the additional criteria that you continually dream up time and time again to add in an attempt to discredit my selections.

For the record I believe that the BEST horse (no additional criteia) that WINX ever beat was HIGHLAND REEL.

2nd BEST (no additional criteia) CHAUTAUQUA.

3rd BEST (no additional criteia) CRITERION

And as for your:

"The nearest she got to one was Criterion who was almost put over the running rail."

This is fanciful BS from you yet again Gladys.

You can watch this race a hundred times over and over even in slow motion and you wont see CRITERION ever looking like almost being "put over the running rail."

I cant believe that you are dumb enough to attemt to get away with this fanciful statement yet again after the FACT that I posted on here to you the official stewards report of this race WHICH DOES NOT MAKE ANY MENTION OF THIS SUPPOSED INCIDENT.

Gladys you either have a very short memory and an even shorter attention span

OR

You simply live in your own little fantasy land where you are convinced that your fantasies are actually real.

 

 

 

Gladys, you didn't spot the hypocrisy? Have another look.

Blah blah blah. You can't answer the question can you Klown. Just these dopey amateur history lectures.

You and your great mate Gary know the answer. She beat nuthin'!

You can rave on about Highland Reel all you like and all the things he may have achieved after he raced gainst Winx. One thing neither of you can do is tell me who she beat in any of her races that was an established proved weight for age horse. I didn't ask for a horse that may have improved later, I want one that was above average weight for age horse when they met. The nearest she got to one was Criterion who was almost put over the running rail.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin but duds.

Gladys,

You say: "It is not what you win but who you beat" 

By this I assume that you mean that the owners of CRACKSMAN would be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into 3rd place in the G1 Champion Stakes.

OR

That the owners of CRACKSMAN would be boasting about the fact that just like WINX in the Cox Plate they had beaten HIGHLAND REEL into 3rd place in the G1 Champion Stakes.

And perhaps now on this basis they could kid themselves that they may have some slim chance of being awarded the status of equal best horse in the world. (fat chance)

OR

Maybe like the owners of FOUND would be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into 2nd place in the G1 Arc de Triomphe.

OR

An absolute certainty I feel would be that the owners of WINX would sitill even to this day be bragging about having beaten Highland Reel into third place in the Cox Plate.

Afterall what a great horse that Highland Reel was, remember he ran 2nd to FOUND in the Arc but almost immediately after that came out and beat FLINTSHIRE 2nd & FOUND 3rd in the G1 Breeders Cup.

Did I mention that WINX beat Highland Reel into 3rd place in the Cox Plate?

OR

Perhaps the owners of the likes of TREVE, CIRRUS de ANGELS, TREVE (again) MAIN SEQUENCE, DOLNIYA, DOLNIYA (again), TREVE (yet again), GOLDEN HORN, ECTOT would more than likely still be boasting about having beaten FLINTSHIRE.

Oh did I forget one, sorry about that, silly me, I forget to mention that HIGHLAND REEL also beat FLINTSHIRE twice.

Yeah Gladys, I get it.

"It is not what you win but who you beat" 

 

Gladys, to explain Highland Reel’s loss to Winx in 2015 Cox Plate, you relentlessly argue:

“Highland Reel was an up and coming, northern hemisphere, young three year old, yet to develop, on his World tour giving half a kilo in weight against a four year old mare.”

In case you missed it, you said ”Highland Reel was a young three year old, yet to develop…”

Yet, this very same proposition explains all of Winx’s defeats as a three year old!

Can you spot the hypocrisy?

Highland Reel blah blah blah. the race he won had no quality in it. Remember Bart. One of his lines was "It is not what you win but who you beat" Who did he beat in that race?

Just give us all a name of one other weight for age horse she beat that was not a dud. Spare us all your boring attempts at history of the turf.

High Gladys,

I wish to comment on your lame statements as quoted:

"Highland Reel contested the Cox Plate early in his career and went on to become a very good horse." 

Agreed!

"Winx was flogged by many horses including the ones I named, early in her career."

Agreed but what is your point?

Many horses have been flogged by lesser horses early in their respective careers but it does not stop them developing into a champion as they eventually mature.

For instance, the mighty BERNBOROUGH could only manage the following all on the lowlyToowoomba track.

At 4yo one 3rd and one unplaced out of two starts as a 4yo.

At 5yo he ran the following sequence of results unplaced, won, unplaced, unplaced, unplaced, won, won, 2nd.

But he just like WINX would develop into a champion upon maturing sufficiently.

Yeah like I said, I dont get your point.

What does it matter if you have a few poor performances as a young horse if in time with education and maturity you go on to become a true CHAMPION like WINX or BERNBOROUGH.

Similarly Tulloch only won six out of his first twelve starts but it did not stop him developing into a CHAMPION.

" A few Group Three horses like Benbatl and Hartnell gave a bit of a yelp but any horse out of the past would have flogged them."

This is pure speculation on your part, it is your opinion and can not be proven.

In any case I could name thousands of horses out of the past that could not have even won a maiden.

I think what you really ment to say dopey was that in your opinion many of our well renowned classy stakes winners "out of the past would have flogged them."

"Humidor got close" 

This one is easily explained by taking a leaf out of your mate Khaptingly's book.

"What if that one horse (WINX) was not at it's best on the day." 

"She beat Highland Reel when he was a youngj fellow with potential and then never beat a proper horse in her life." 

Highland Reel was not such a young horse, he was chronologically three years and eight months old when he met Winx in the Cox Plate hence the weight he carried to satisfy the WFA scale.

Highland Reel was already a proper horse.

Further to this seven weeks later he flogged a G1 International field in Hong Kong including the G1 international superstar Flitshire.

"Just once, just for once, name a horse she beat that had actually done something before they met in a race." 

Highland Reel flogged the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf field where he cruised to a 5.25 len x head victory beating the 3-2 favourite Force The Pass into third place.

After the race Highland Reel's jockey is quoted as saying: "I was never in any doubt. I won easy."

Force The Pass had recently easily won the 1.25 million US dollars Belmont Derby Invertational Stakes against a high class international field of invitees and USA horses.

"The race Highland Reel won was nothing."

Boy oh boy have I been waiting for this one.

(I have been soooo patient and it has now paid dividends, I have caught myself a great big bloated sucker fish)

I could of caught poor old pigboy out on this one but I was hoping for a bigger fish to fry "The race Highland Reel won was nothing." ?????

Derrrrrr, this is the very same race that Adelaide won the year before prior to winning his Cox Plate.

So there we have it Gladys says:

"The race Highland Reel won was nothing."

But the winner of this race the previous year (Adelaide) comes out and wins the Cox Plate one year followed by another winner of this same race (Highland Reel) the following year then running 3rd in the Cox Plate almost immediately after.

You are such a novice Gladys it would appear that you know very little about interpreting form or form lines.

WHAT A SUCKER!

 

 

 

Highland Reel contested the Cox Plate early in his career and went on to become a very good horse. When he contested the Cox Plate he was not a proven performer but certainly had potential.

Winx was flogged by many horses including the ones I named, early in her career. When these horses left the scene she was left with a rapidly declining pool of quality horses and was therefore gifted a career where she only had to meet a bunch of aged handicapping duds. A few Group Three horses like Benbatl and Hartnell gave a bit of a yelp but any horse out of the past would have flogged them. Humidor got close and he was below average despite Gary thinking he was going to win the Melbourne Cup.

You can give us all the graphs, speculation and blather you like Klown but the bottom line is this. She beat Highland Reel when he was a youngj fellow with potential and then never beat a proper horse in her life. She raced against duds in orchestrated and choregraphed processions to entertain flag wavers like you and Gary.

Just once, just for once, name a horse she beat that had actually done something before they met in a race. The race Highland Reel won was nothing. Not something that did something later on but something that had won races against quality fields. You can't can you?

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'

Gladys,

Oh I see your point now, how wise you are.     (NOT)

Highland Reel was a dud as a 3yo in the Cox Plate in your opinion as he contested the Cox Plate without supposed established class, and prior to realising his eventual high class potential.

Oh I feel so much more elightend now an feel a need to rethink and recalibrate my opinion of some very classy horses of the past, particularly those who have won a Cox Plate as a 3yo now that I have become familiar with the Gladys new way of thinking.

Gladys I feel so much more enlightenened as according to your logic a horse likein So You Think (won a Cox Plate as a 3yo) should also be included as a dud who contested the Cox Plate without established class, and with no consideration of his future high class potential.

SO YOU THINK

 

2009 MVRC WS Cox Plate (as a 3yo) G1 2040m
2010 MRC Underwood Stakes G1 1800m
2010 MRC Yalumba Stakes G1 2000m
2010 MVRC WS Cox Plate G1 2040m
2010 VRC Mackinnon Stakes G1 2000m
2011 GB The Eclipse Stakes G1 10F
2011 IRE Irish Champion Stakes G1 10F
2011 IRE Tattersalls Gold Cup G1 10.5F
2012 GB Prince of Wales's Stakes G1 10F
2012 IRE Tattersalls Gold Cup G1 10.5F
2010 MRC Memsie Stakes G2 1400m
2009 STC Gloaming Stakes G3 1800m
2011 IRE Curragh Mooresbridge Stakes G3 11F

First Seal, Fenway and Gust of Wind all flogged Winx before they gave it away. Using your logic Klown that proves they were all better.

As to your stupid assertion that there has been no better performed horse than Highland Reel in the last fifty years then consider this. Horses in the last fifty years contested the Cox Plate with established class, not potential.  Had Highland Reel returned to Australia later in his career he would have flogged Regumate Girl.

I see Kementari went around in Brisbane yesterday. Now remind me again, who did he used to race against? Oh that's right, another one of the no hoping duds keeping Our Kingdom of Fyfe and Invictus Prince company in the procession of plodders.

Khaptingly,

Re your: "What if that one horse was not at it's best on the day." Is that all you have got? You really are pathetic, talk about grasping at straws.

But unfortunately your silly unfounded attempt at denigrating the absolute class of Highland Reel through the use of your fanciful what if scenario? can also be used in the same to enhance the class of HIghland Reel.

Highland Reel would have won the Arc except he was not at nis best on the day.

Your scenario is about as silly and lacking in credibility as saying WINX beat Highland Reel into third place, Highland Reel ran second in the Arc therefore WINX would have won the Arc.

I have given you pair of dopes the BEST horse that WINX beat. Last time it was said that this was not acceptable as he was still a rising 4yo and had not as yet proven himself to be the classy horse that he would eventually become but now its all about how perhaps he "was not at it's best on the day."

I reiterate, I have given you the BEST horse that WINX beat. I will not be giving you the second best, third best etc, etc... until you agree that I am right about my "BEST HORSE" selection

OR

You are prepared to nominate a supposed better one and are prepared to debate the reasons for its selection. The bottom line here is you pair of dopes ask a perfectly reasonable question but when you are given an answer you simply make up all sorts of silly childlike reasons as to why the legitimate answer is not acceptable to you.

My point here is that it is a wasted effort researching and then attempting any form of credible debate with you pair of clowns as you appear to be non accepting of any answer no matter how credible it be. No all you pair can do is attempt to denigrate the credible answer with all sorts of childish silly nonsense rather than any attempt become involved in any form of credible debate.

I think that the problem here is that the pair of you simply don't have the ability to undertake a basic debate. No it has been proven time and time again that the pair of you are more comfortable continuing with your silly child like nonsense rather than entering into any mature form of debate.

Forget about your silly childlike attempts to denigrate my selection of Highland Reel being the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. Here's your big chance to show some intestinal fortitude and maturity.

Answer the following:

NAME A HORSE ANY HORSE THAT WINX EVER BEAT THAT WAS BETTER PERFORMED IN ITS OVERALL RACING CAREER THAN HIGHLAND REEL.

NAME A HORSE THAT RAN EITHER SECOND OR THIRD IN ANY COX PLATE IN THE PAST FIFTY YEARS THAT WAS BETTER PERFORMED IN ITS OVERALL RACING CAREER THAN HIGHLAND REEL.

Well folks after months and months the imposter, theking, can only give us one horse. Of all the horses that Winx beat., he can only give us one horse. Pathetic. What if that one horse was not at it's best on the day. We asked the question. Theking has boosted the possibility that Winx is the most overrated horse ever with his pathetic responses that do nothing to suggest otherwise. And apparently he is a fan of Winx.

Khaptingly,

I am not one of your frightened little year seven high school students. Therefore I do not feel at all threatened by your wanker high school teacher threats or ultimatums. eg. "When you give me the list and have answered the question, I will then answer your question, but first things first."

No wanker, I have answered you in regard to which horse I feel was the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. Now its time for you to answer a couple of questions for me, or we won't be moving on.

OR

Sorry dopey I will consider that its checkmate, game over,  game won by the King.

1. If Highland is not the best horse that WINX ever beat then tell me out of the multitude of horses that she did beat who in your opinion was a better horse than Highland Reel?

2. Highland Reel won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf just prior to takiing on WINX in the Cox Plate. Surely you would have to agree that this was indicative of excellent form leading into a Cox Plate wouldn't you?


Let me help you out Khap as you will not get any answers from that clown. In Sydney this weekend that great champion Invictus Prince is having a run. Now this fabulous horse won a maiden and then a Benchmark 95 in the UK and then won nothing for the next two years. Upon arriving in Australia it was entered in a Group One against Winx and ran two lengths second at wfa. That was and is the standard of wfa Group One racing in Australia.

It has done absolutely zilch since. It has had 22 starts for 2 wins and about 198K in prize money. This horse was two lengths behind Winx. Imagine just how woeful the horses were that finished behind this goat.

I reckon the Clerk of the Course's horse could have run in the placings in most of her races as the standard was that pathetic.

Theking, rather than continually try to deflect the matter away from your inability to provide the answer we are asking you for, how about finally getting the courage to answer the question.

You have told us ad nauseum about Highland Reel. That horse is obviously one you are giving us. What are the other four to make the list of the top five horses in your opinion that Winx beat in her career. 

No school lessons just cut to the subject, What did Winx beat ? Beating around the bush is over for you. When you give me the list and have answered the question, I will then answer your question, but first things first.

GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE,

Re your: "Nice little trick there King with the reposting." Reposting with corrections post posting and not still leaving the original message intact as well, yes that would certainly be a "Nice little trick" if it were at all possible. Sounds to me more like an unfounded GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE conspiracy theory to me.

The only other explanation for this supposed "Nice little trick" would be that the THE BLOATED GOOSE'S eyesight is now so poor that she is seeing things that are not actually there. It would appear to me that it is high time for a pair of much stronger bifocals for you Mrs Magoo. 

"Oh Magoo you've done it again!" Made a GOOSE out of yourself that is! Thanks again for the belly laughs. You have had me in stitches wobbling like a big bowl of jelly.

Please don't change Gladys as you really are a constant source of amusement for your jolly old King.

I will make it easier for you then Gary. Perhaps you can name one horse that Winx regularly beat in Australia that had a high or at least a reasonable winning strike rate in other races contested when Winx was not one of the runners in the race.

Those duds that she beat then got flogged by other duds. 

She was a good horse Gary but her ability was blown way out of proportion on the basis that she just beat no hoping duds.

No Gary, it wasn't that they were unbeatable. It was the opposition were not capable of winning they were so bad.

I understand why you don't want to discuss Regumate. Your whole argument collapses without it.

Gladys, I'm not the slightest bit interested in discussing Regumate with you. But feel free to waste your time asking the same question over and  over, because you won't get a response.

Sadly, you have your head stuck in the previous century, and have missed a couple of champs from the past decade who have achieved some modest winning streaks. Evidently, they had incredible acceleration and only ONCE during their wining streaks, shortened stride.

I refer to Black Caviar at Ascot (due to injury) and  Winx in her 3rd Cox Plate (3 wide last 900m - and flattened first up in that prep)..

Think of the implications, Gladys. Only once (and for good reason) did they concede ground. They were simply unbeatable.

Nice little trick there King with the reposting. Did your little mate Gazza give you a hand? 

How's the answer coming along Gazza?

Gladys,

Re your statement: "Before you denigrate posters King, why don't you attend a remedial English class and learn how to spell the word "operative"."

WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT DOPEY? The following is copied and pasted directly from my recent post.

"Sorry but I don't think that I can make it any simpler (operative word) for you."

I am unsure as to why you are critical of my spelling of the word operative when clearly it is spelt correctly.Perhaps you are simply (operative word) getting confused as you do not actually have an understanding of the word operative when used in the context that I used it in.

Therefore I provide the following so that you may perhaps gain a better understanding of the word operative in the future. "the operative word. the most important word in a phrase, which explains the truth of a situation"

Poor old Gladys what a FOOL you have made of yourself yet again. It woul appear that it is you and not me who needs to attend a remedial english class and learn how to spell. I hope for your sake Gladys that they will accept the enrolment of a dill like you in the remedial english class. Perhaps you should get your carer to help you with your posts in future. I always thought that you were a bit of a goose Gladys but this time you have really outdone yourself.

Rather than simply refer to you as a bit of a goose or a big goose after your latest debacle it is probably more fitting to refer to you as a BLOATED GOOSE from now on. Yes GLADYS THE BLOATED GOOSE is not only very fitting but it also has a very nice ring to it don't you think?

Ha ha ha, thanks for providing your jolly old King once again with yet another great big belly laugh. Please don't change Gladys, you are a constant source of amusement for your jolly old King just the way you are.


Before you denigrate posters King, why don't you attend a remedial English class and learn how to spell the word "operative".

Gary has been very slow getting back to me with an answer to my question. Is he in the same ward as you?

If he is not, would you be kind enough to ask Matron to give him my message? Would you write the word "Regumate"?

With your appalling spelling you will only get him further confused if you try to remember it without a note.

Khaptingly,

Re your statement:"The five best horses that Winx defeated, in his opinion."

Like you is an OXYMORON. "An oxymoron, however, may produce a dramatic effect, but does not make literal sense."

I suggest that you make yourself familiar with the neaning of the word BEST. There is only ever one BEST. You saying "the five best" is as equally moronic as someone describing something as the MOST BEST.

Do you get that dopey?

Sorry but I don't think that I can make it any simpler (operative word) for you. I suggest that you ask your teacher or one of the smarter kids in your class to help you with your english skills or better still perhaps they could enrol you in a remedial Engish class.

And BTW I have I believe that I have already given you the BEST horse that WINX ever beat. If Highland is not the best horse that WINX ever beat then tell me out of the multitude of horses that she did beat who in your opinion was a better horse than Highland Reel?

Highland Reel won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf just prior to takiing on WINX in the Cox Plate. Surely you would have to agree that this was indicative of excellent form leading into a Cox Plate wouldn't you?

 

So I decided to visit this forum again several days later and theking still cannot get past one horse. He goes around and around like a stuck record. What a poor effort, can't get past one horse.

I see now what you are dealing with. IQ< hat size. Good luck all.

That's alright if you don't side with me Piggy. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and a view and I respect yours.

I hope you stay around as your selections are usually pretty good.

At least you can understand the difficulties of dealing with that cretinous mate of Gary. If you look at the time of that moron's posts you can have a fairly good insight as to his cerebral state.

Gladys, I never thought I could side with you, but when someone can't see that you are on their side and collates such a child-like response, I guess there is no hope for this forum.

Move over Quez. I guess I will join you.

Sorry Dhaulagiri, but this will probably be my last Groupies. Far too much work to do. Viva the Stock Market. C'est la Vie.

You have all answered the question correctly! WGAF.

Gladys,

Highland Reel ran 2nd in the G1 Arc to Found.

Found also won a G1 USA Breeders Cup Turf, as did Highland Reel and so did the dual G1 Arc winner Enable.

As you can see from the results below Highland Reel was a high class racehorse in good company.

Why do you not include him in your list of horses that WINX beat?

 

G1 USA Breeders Cup winners in recent times

2018

Enable (GB) 2014

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2017

Talismanic (GB) 2013

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2016

Highland Reel (IRE) 2012

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

2015

Found (IRE) 2012

USA Breedes' Cup Turf

Group 1

12F

Not quite the reply you were expecting, eh Pigracer.

Gary loves this clown. He thinks his posts are simply the best.

What do you think?

 

Enjoying your best mate's posts Gary? Come on, you told us how you love reading them.

Now about that Regumate question, why is it banned?

Hey pigracer does this sound familiar to you?

The wise old Mountain Man says "I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee! What we, uh, "re-quire" is that you get your god-damn asses up in them woods.

Come on lets see you pigs race on on up there.

 

Hey Gladys,

Re your:

"After Hartnell there was Invictus Prince, Sons Of John, Red Excitement and L'Esqueti Spirit as the best horses she beat. aren't they an impressive lot!"

You conveniently forgot Highland Reel.

He won the G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths just prior to being flogged by WINX in the Cox Plate.

This is G1 Secretariat Stakes Turf form is great form leading into a Cox Plate start.

Why is it that you do not give him a mention?

Hey pigboy,

Was that the same wise man who insisted that you squeal like a pig for him?

 

A wise man once told me "NOTHING IS FOOL PROOF because fools are so ingenious" Why waste time on clowns KING? Cheers,The Pig.

Don't waste your time waiting for that cretin to respond Khap. I will give you the answer that those two clowns are afraid to admit.

Hartnell was a handicapper who was not up to overses competition so was brought out here to run in our pathetic wfa races against our plodders.. He went well as he had no competition except Regumate Girl.. He was not very good, he looked good because the opposition was just so poor.

After Hartnell there was Invictus Prince, Sons Of John, Red Excitement and L'Esqueti Spirit as the best horses she beat. aren't they an impressive lot!

This will give those two clowns a way out now. Instead of addressing this post we will get the usual drivel from Bootsie and then that clown King will give us an education in highlighting and capitals. If you think he writes tripe here, go and have a look at that other forum. He is laughed off there on a weekly basis.

Khappy,

Re your:

"Enough of this time wasting and picking on others who visit the forum."

Whats the matter Khappy?

Do I sense a note of jealousy that your King is not giving you all the attention?

I can unders why you want me all to yourself but come on Khappy this is a bit much you must learn to share your King's attention.

Sorry to be the one to tell you this Khappy but its not all about you!

Gary must be in seventh heaven. He loves reading this clown's posts.

Now Bootsie, how about the answer to that Regumate question.

Fairburn or whatever your name actually is.

Re your:

"Theking,

You say a win in the Secretatiat Stakes is good form for a Cox Plate, are you serious?"

Yes I am serious and no amount of prattling on about what horses did or didn't do after the Secretariat Stakes Turf will change this.

The problem with you is that you don't seem to know what the word form means.

Form for a nominated race is the performances of a horse leading up to and prior to the nominated race.

Oh how I wish that I had the benefit of future performances before they actually happen like you seem to want to include in your form assesment for the Secretariat Stakes Turf race.

Yes Fairburn or whatever your name actually is HINDSIGHT is a wonderful thing but its not of much use in assessing the ability of a horse prior to it running in a nominated race.

It is time theking gave us another horse or in fact another four to finally come up with his list of five. The five best horses that Winx defeated, in his opinion.

Enough of this time wasting and picking on others who visit the forum. Get to the point and come up with the full list of five.

One horse is not good enough. A pathetic effort after all this time but what we have come to expect.

1. Highland Reel had good form leading into the Cox Plate against WINX as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf. 

Unfotunately for Highland Reel even though he carried that very good form into the Cox Plate he was smashed by the unquestionable superiority of WINX.

this is a FACT.

2. Seven weeks later after his Cox Plate defeat Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire in a G1 race.

this is a FACT.

3. Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races.

this is a FACT.

Highland Reel is the best horse that WINX ever beat!

These FACTS can not be denounced.

I welcome anybody who wishes to comment on these FACTS.

But be warned you risk making a fool of yourself.

Failure to comment will simply indicate that you agree with me and it will then allow us to get on with my nomination of the second best horse that WINX beat.

Anything to deflect the question asked by Khap and myself King.

Name the horses. You can't because there aren't any. They were all duds.

Yoo hoo, Gary. that Regumate question, any chance of an answer Bootsie?

willow15,

What do you mean by?

"My error, as I said the third place horse" etc, etc.....

I am more than a little confused here.

Are you some kind of a scitZoid trying to take somebody elses identity?

What the???

Correct me if I amwrong here but I am pretty sure that it was actually Fairburn who said those things.

willow15 are you two different people or are you two different people in the same body sharing the same brain?

As in you only have half a brain each which would account for your difficulty with counting.

Or are you actually the same person with two different dodgy identities on here?

Somehow I think that I am leaning towards the latter.

In any case whether you be two different people or two personas within the same brain it would appear that both of you appear to get more than a little confused when we get to big numbers like three and four?

It would appear that you are only going to become even more confused if you go beyond number 4 as in 4th place.

Try counting with your fingers slowly one at a time next time

OR

Better still perhaps you could get a sensible adult to help you with your counting.

In any case when you go back to school perhaps you could ask the teacher to enrol the both of you (Fairburn & willow15) in a remedial maths class that is especially tailored for scitZoids.

These certainly are strange times that we are living in as it would appear that neither Fairburn or willow15 seem to know whether they are Arthur or Martha.

In summary you are both very odd bods or should I say YOU singularly are one very big odd bod?

Or perhaps I should say that you are not only Fairburn & willow15 but who knows you may also be Gladys & Khaptingly as well all wrapped up in the same body and sharing the same brain.

All I know is that you get confused as to which identity or persona you should be using at any one time and the fact that you get very confused once the numbers get as big as three, four or more.

Perhaps thats the problem.

Its symptomatic of the fact that you are attempting to deal with a big number like four personas, any wonder you get so confused.

Hmmmm, come to think of it, these are traits common to Gladys & Khaptingly.

What a bunch of scitZoid losers.

 

theking,

My error, as I said the third placed horse had only one career win at G1 level which you noted. It was the fourth placed horse whose only black tyoe win was a G2 in Rome before finishing it's career being flogged in races in Country NSW.. The fifth placed horse had no black type wins and finished his career being flogged in BM races in NSW. The sixth place horse has two lowly wins in France and the seventh place horse had one G2 win and no other black type wins. 

This field was so pathetic if it was run in Australia it would have rated as one of the weakest G1 races of the season and we have had plenty of G1 races in recent seasons that are nothing more than glorified G3/Listed races, yet for some reason you seem to think that a win in the Secretariat Stakes is good form for the Cox Plate. Doesn't say much for the field that contested the Cox Plate in 2015.

One horse from theking, wow. Wow indeed. Are you too frightened, too scared to mention any others, in case we just laugh at you for years to come. 

Not sure where you are getting your information from Fairburn.

Re your:

"The third placed horses only black type win was in a G2 rare in of all places Rome and he finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW."

As far as I am aware 3rd placed Force the Pass had in fact just won the G1 Belmont Derby. Not too sure about it finishing his career being flogged in races in country NSW and or have ever aced in Rome for that matter, but if you say so it must be true.

However to the best of my knowlege he is at stud in the USA. They must all be a bunch of dills those yanks!

 I wonder why they would want to use a stallon that finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW?

 

Theking,

You say a win in the Secretatiat Stakes is good form for a Cox Plate, are you serious?

There were six other starters in the race and the second placed horses only black type win came in a listed race. The third placed horse has only one win at G1 level. The third placed horses only black type win was in a G2 rare in of all places Rome and he finished his career being flogged in races in country NSW. The fourth placed horse had no black type wins and finished his career being flogged in BM races in NSW. The fifth place horse has two lowly wins in France and the sixth place horse had one G2 win and no other black type wins. 

By any reading that was a pathetic field. Even some of the dogs that ran second to Winx in her career had better form than that.

Gladys,

Re your:

"Highland Reel was an up and coming three year old half way across the world"

No he was a late three year old by southern hemisphere standards who was flogged by WINX even though he had flogged a Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf field. (good form for a Cox Plate)

No he was not half way across the world as he was racing in Melbourne when he was flogged by WINX.

Khap, Gary is n record as professing his love for this clown's posts.

I think that just about sums these two up, don't you think?

As for your stupid posts King, I will answer your dopey question with one of my own.

Which was the best horses that Fenway or First Seal beat. The answer is not Winx. They did not have to get out of second gear to towel her. As to the best horse Winx beat, well no one. None of them were any good when they raced against her. Highland Reel was an up and coming three year old half way across the world and the rest were just second and third rate handicappers.

Khap,

You said:

"I never said my grammar was correct, I just questioned your use of uppercase."

No you did not just question my use of uppercase.

The following quote from you will prove this.

"P.S. Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar. Why the upper case on selected words in your most recent post?"

You not only questioned my use of uppercase but you also had the temerity to question whether I had a problem with grammar while displaying your absolute lack of knowledge of grammar by:

1. Using a capital in Grammar

2. Omitting to place a question mark at the end of your "do you have a problem with Grammar."

No you never said your grammar was correct but you did have the unjustified gall to out of the blue criticise my grammar in what I can only imagine was an attempt to make yourself look clever.

Sorry Khap you failed to make yourself look clever once again!

PS

Lets start with the best horse that WINX beat.

I say it was Highland Reel.

Can you or anybody else for that matter come up with a horse that WINX beat that was better than Highland Reel?

 

Khap,

Re my use of all CAPS:

"Typing in all capital letters is akin to shouting at someone in person. It's commonly used by online hustlers to try to grab your attention.

Whether you are using email, Twitter, or some other online form of communication, shouting in all caps is considered inappropriate and bad netiquette. It also evokes stronger reader emotions. There are exceptions to the rule. It's acceptable for subject lines and headings to appear in all caps."

Sorry but I gotcha as this online hustler was shouting at you by using all CAPS as a means of trying to grab your attention and evoking stronger emotions from you, you dunce.,

Cop that goose, I as usual was successful yet again in achieving my objective.

PS

In regard to your:

"Something he says we should stick too."

Sorry dopey it should be to.

I never said my grammar was correct, I just questioned your use of uppercase. Get back to the point theking.

It seems it is panic time for theking. He is too interested in providing Grammar lessons which diverts him conveniently away from the real question and the point of this thread. Something he says we should stick too. He is in such a fluster that the same post has made it through, not once, not twice, not three times but four times. Panic prevails it seems.

Now provide us with the names of those five horses.

Gladys,

Further rules of grammar for your information.

6.73 Indirect one-word question. When a question within a sentence consists of a single word, such as who, when, how, or why, a question mark may be omitted, and the word is sometimes italicized. ... A request courteously disguised as a question does not require a question mark.

If you don't get it Gladys I suggest that you look up the meaning of the words MAY, be and omitted.

In any case Gladys I am not the one who started all this rot about grammar (which IMO is not so important or justified on a basic online forum)

No it was your pompous mate Khaptingly who first wanted to stand on his high horse attempting to weild the big grammar stick in relation to my use of all caps simply as a means of emphasis. (more about this later)

I didn't know or expect that we were going to be subjected to the tyranny of some dopey lefty year seven high school teacher like a bunch of his frightened little schoolboys being graded.

However enough for me on the emphasis on correct grammar on this forum as  find it terribly boring.

Anyway the main thing is that Khap started the criticism in relalation to grammar, I simply retorted & was proven right once again by putting both you & Khap in your place about your collective uncertain knowledge of correct grammar.

This is the last you will hear from me on the subject of grammar on this forum except for the post that will follow explaining my earlier use of all caps simply for emphasis.

I really don't think that correct grammar should be an issue on this forum and I am very surprised that that dopey Khap started on it in the first place (boring)

There is nothing more hilarious than when some pompous imbecile like King comes on with a lecture about grammar.

Have a look at your sentence "However I am still uncertain as to why?" and explain to us all why there is a question mark inserted after why.

When you finish with that explain why there is no apostrophe in "thats" in the preceeding stupid sentence.

Your stupid posts entertain the likes of Gary as it steers the conversation away from Regumate and  naming the good horses that he claims Winx beat.

Go back to the mutual admiration society with your dull witted mate. Perhaps you could introduce him to your admirers on that other forum. That will take all of about one second.

 

Khaptingly,

For your further information in regard to a grammar lesson which I am sure that you will appreciate.

"Be Careful!
Don't confuse were /w?/ with where /we?/. 

You use where to make statements 

or ask questions about place or position.

Where is the nearest train station?"

Now thats correct grammar for you.

However I am still uncertain as to why? you wrote Grammar with a capital G as it was at the end of a sentence and not at the beginning of a sentence.

Hmmm, perhaps you are a bit of a slug when it comes to knowing about the correct use of grammar. 

Note it should have been grammar not Grammar. 

Hi Khap,

In regard to your "Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar."

Perhaps it is actually you who has a problem with your keyboard or a problem with Grammar as the following extract from your recent post which is a direct quote will prove beyond a shadow of doubt.

"Were where they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they?"

IMO this sentence should have been written as follows:

Where were they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they?

Where in this case should be used as an interrogative pronoun simply because it is being used at the start of a question.

But then again perhaps I am wrong as I am NOT a lefty year seven wanker high school English teacher like you obviously are Khap.

Were is the past tense of to be.

As in we were all laughing at Khap's poor grammar. 

Where is generally an adverb which should for your question have been used as an interrogative pronoun.

As in where did the egg get splattered Khap?

Was it all over your face?

Sorry Khap but you are becoming an even bigger goose than your mate Gladys!

 

 

Yoo Hoo Gary. How's that answer to the Regumate question coming along?

Perhaps you are too busy blubbering over old Winx footage showing her beating up the stable mates or maybe you are too engrossed in  your idol's imbecilic posts.

Khap I reiterate:

Now if its good enough for you to start looking at the form of horses after a certain race to quantify the quality of their ability its also good enough for me to do the same.

Now lets seeif you can stick to the programme Khap perhaps you might have more guts than your mate Gladys.

The race that I nominate is the Cox Plate when WINX flogged Highland Reel.

(recent at the time winner of the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf)

I say that the best horse that WINX ever beat was Highland Reel. 

Seven weeks later after this Cox Plate Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire.

Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races for at least the next twelve months in Flintshire's case and for the next couple of years in Highland Reel's case.

Answer the question Khap

If Highland Reel was NOT the best horse that WINX ever beat then perhaps you Khap can tell me one that she beat who was better than HIGHLAND REEL?

"Anyway stick to the point Khap, I thought we were suposed to be focusting on the BEST horses that WINX beat not dad's army."

Ok stick to the point and give us your answer. Get Gary to help you if need be.

As you acknowledged Happy Clapper was a 7yo when defeated by Winx in that race I referred to. So where were the best Aussie horses of 6yo and younger? I heard we had the strongest racing in the world. I heard we bred great sprinters and middle distance horses. Were where they for this race or other races Winx contested and who were they? What happened to all these horses and others that Winx defeated, once she retired? Are their records too abysmal to mention? The Ryder of 2018 was merely one example, I gave. Pull out other Winx races to prove me wrong if you can. So far you have only referred to one Aussie horse (Happy Clapper) and one international horse (Highland Reel) that Winx defeated. Just two horses you find noteworthy to mention amongst her beaten brigage. Poor effort indeed. Would any horses you may decide to mention now make your best five that Winx beat?

P.S. Do you have a problem with your keyboard or do you have a problem with Grammar. Why the upper case on selected words in your most recent post?

Khaptingly,

I dont get your point re Happy Clapper.

Straight after running second to WINX (once more) in the Ryder he comes out and wins a G1 Doncaster by 2 len.

IMO thats a pretty fair effort for a 7yo.

But then you want to start kicking this poor sick (bled both nostrils) old dad's army warrior in the guts for not winning too many Group races as an eight and nine year old.

Yes he only won the two group races after the Ryder that being a G1 Doncaster plus another G3 race as a nine year old. (how many horses are still winning Group races at 9yo?)

However the reality is that following his G1 Doncaster win as a 7yo he was doing the majority of his racing as an eight and nine year old in G1 races

Yes he didn't win any but in many of those races he was racing against Winx and try as he might neither him nor any other horses could beat her in Group races.

Like I said its pretty hard to win multiple Group races as an eight and nine year old in any era but obviously even harder in an era dominated by the supposed best horse in the world.

In any case I think that its pretty P!SS POOR of you picking on an old bloke like Happy Clapper who would more than likely have dominated racing in his era had Winx never been born.

Similarly for Hay List had Black Caviar not been born.

My point is that its pretty hard to amass a big Group 1 record when you have the likes of a WINX or BLACK CAVIAR running around.

Coincidently both of these horses have the exact same Group record of each both having won 3/G1, 2/G2 & 2/G3.

Anyway stick to the point Khap, I thought we were suposed to be focusting on the BEST horses that WINX beat not dad's army.

Now if its good enough for you to start looking at the form of horses after a certain race to quantify the quality of their ability its also good enough for me to do the same.

Now lets seeif you can stick to the programme Khap perhaps you might have more guts than your mate Gladys.

The race that I nominate is the Cox Plate when WINX flogged Highland Reel.

(recent at the time winner of the Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes Turf)

I say that the best horse that WINX ever beat was Highland Reel. 

Seven weeks later after this Cox Plate Highland Reel still a 3yo smashed the world renowned international superstar Flintshire.

Both Flintshire and Highland Reel continued along their separate paths after this event continually dominating their respective Group 1 International races for at least the next twelve months in Flintshire's case and for the next couple of years in Highland Reel's case.

If Highland Reel was NOT the best horse that WINX ever beat then perhaps you Khap can tell me one that she beat who was better than HIGHLAND REEL.

Ahd before you make a complete goose of yourself like your mate Gladys I suggest that you and anybody else who wants to know the truth about the quality of WINX take a look at the race record of Flintshire over the next twelve months or so after Highland Reel had put him to the sword.

So WINX flogs Highland Reel in the Cox Plate then seven weeks later Highland Reel smashes the international superstar Flintshire then Flintshire licks his wounds and gets up off the canvas and dominates G1 international racing for the next twelve months or so.

Sorry you bunch of novices both Highland Reel & Flintshire have the runs on the board in dominating time and time again in their respective international G1 events.

It is FACT not fatasy that WINX flogged Highland Reel and that both he and Flintshire proved themselves to be both superstars on the G1 international racing circuit.

But history will tell you that it is a FACT that WINX flogged at least one of these G1 international superstars who then went on to SMASH the other G1 international superstar.

I rest my case, on this basis the quality of WINX can not be disputed.

Hmmmm, perhaps this is the sort of LOGIC that they were looking at overseas when even the yanks

(and thats saying something)

were declaring that WINX was the best racehorse in the world.

 

Gary and Theking need to colour or enlarge the font on their posts to try to make their point, which obviously they are not making very well.

Lets pick a race from the Winx career. Lets have a look at the 2018 George Ryder. That day she defeated the following five horses.

Happy Clapper - 2 wins from 15 starts since

Kementari - 0 wins from 12 starts since

Crack Me Up - failed to run a place in 9 starts since

Invincible Gem - 1 win on a heavy track against mares (Daysee Doom and Noire and just 4 others) in her 22 starts since

Clearly Innocent - 1 start for a minor placing in a Group 3 event

That is it. That was the entire field that day. And didn't the adoring fans waving their flags go into raptures that day. There are more races to highlight. I have started with this. No wonder no one can come up with their opinion of the best five horses that Winx defeated. What a joke.

Come on Gladys,

Are you going to deny that Highland Reel already was a top liner due to his having recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to his Cox Plate run against WINX.

Surely you would have to agree that this is the form of a topliner and indicative of having a live chance in any Cox Plate wouldnt you?

 

Gladys said "Think this scenario through. Horse  (Winx) gets flogged by plenty of average and above average horses. Average and above average horses leave the scene. Horse races against duds, stable mates, aged handicappers in choreographed guards of honour, with her best mate, Regumate."

Comedy gold Gladys. Well done!

Gary loves your posts King. You speak his language and hover on the same intellectual plain as that clown.

Gladys,

Re your:

"Now, back to the questions. Who was or were the horse(s) that were top liners when she met them."

I already told you Highland Reel was a top liner as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate.

I also said that I thought that this would be considered as good form leading into a Cox Plate.

Its obvious to me that you know now know that I am right and you are wrong.

Thats why you choose to avoid my opinion as you dont have the intestinal fortitude to comment or debate about what I have stated.

Highland Reel was a topliner already prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate, you know I'm right, yey the KING wins the dedate yet again!

Goosey Gladys does NOT have an answr to the superior inellect of the KING.

She has been outsmarted yet again by the all conquering KING.

Its obvious as she no longer has the guts to take me on and debate me as she knows that she will only end up with egg on her face and shooting herself in the foot yet again.

Its now obvious that Gladys is running scared from any form of debate with the KING.

What a weakling!

Gladys you are an ineffectual and cowardly person who is too frightenened to debate your KING because deep down you know he is right yet again!

All hail the victorious KING

We could always subscribe to your theory Gary. We have Winx getting flogged by plenty of horses of average ability at least and then they leave the scene. Now only someone who is a cerebral giant like your good self could see that Winx was just marking time until the good racing fairy flew past her stable and turned her into a champion just like in the fairy tales you and that other clown read.

Think this scenario through. Horse gets flogged by plenty of average and above average horses. Average and above average horses leave the scene. Horse races against duds, stable mates, aged handicappers in choreographed guards of honour, with her best mate, Regumate. Horse declared a champion and greatest of all time by Lord Gary.

See any issues in that logic? 

Now, back to the questions. Who was or were the horse(s) that were top liners when she met them. why is Regumate banned?

Here's some of your comical quotes, Gladys...

"We can also feel lucky that First Seal got injured and retired and that Astern went to stud otherwise she (Winx) probably wouldn't have won a race"; "Horses that have now left the scene, such as Fenway, Adrift, Gust of Wind and First Seal all had no trouble disposing of Winx."; "She was towelled by Fenway, First Seal, Arise and Gust of Wind. They left the scene and she  (Winx) took on no hopers."

There can be no doubt that Winx has been incredibly lucky because every horse that beat her in her 3yo days left the scene! Its just impossible for you to consider any other possibility, isnt it?! I'm starting to find your point of view hilarious. Cheers!

Gladys,

Re your:

"Not who did she beat that went on to become a top liner, but who did she beat that were top liners at that time."

IMO Highland Reel was already a topliner as he had recently won the Grade 1 Secretariate Stakes Turf by 5.25 lengths prior to meeting WINX in the Cox Plate.

I would have thought that this would be considered as very good form leading into a Cox Plate as IMO this sort of form is very much indicative of a high class racehorse.

What do you think Gladys?

Call me all the names you like. I could not care less. However, one thing you clowns can't answer is the same old tired question,"who did she beat". Not who did she beat that went on to become a top liner, but who did she beat that were top liners at that time.

Answer: No one. Not one. Stable mates, aged handicappers and welter horses. Oh hang on, that Hawkes' sprinter raced her over 1500 metres. Why didn't she try him on over 1200 metes.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'

Now Bootsie, what about the question regarding Regumate.

Gladys,, what a hair brained novice you are.

Re your statement:

"Highland Reel matured into a very good horse and went on to win good races."

Well I am not going to argue with that statement.

However listen here dopey it only took him approximately seven weeks from his WINX Cox Plate 3rd to supposedly mature (still a 3yo) to beat the already proven international superstar FLINTSHIRE by 1.4 len in the G1 Hong Kong Vase where Highland Reel carried only approx 2kg less than FLINTSHIRE

In the same race Preferment finished 7th, 7.6 len behind Highland Reel.

Prior to this race Preferment had won the G1 Turnbull Stakes, the G2 Hill Stakes & the G1 VRC Derby and of course went on to win some quality races thereafter.

FLINTSHIRE was no slouch.

G1 stats = 5 wins, 10 placings from 17 G1 starts

G2 stats - 1 win, 1 placing from 3 starts at G2

G3 stats - 1 win, no placings from 1 start at G3

EAT CROW once again Gladys anyone with half a brain will contest that I have absolutely destroyed your silly theory that Highland Reel only matured into becoming a very good horse after having run 3rd to WINX when he was a 3yo.

Yeah still a 3yo he had to mature all of seven weeks before blousing an international superstar by 1.4 len in an international G1 field.

Ha, ha, ha, haaaaaa what a goose you are Gladys!

 

 

"Astern would have flogged Winx"

Gladys, you've just hit a new low.. OMG!


Just like you and Gary, King, the answer is extremely simple.

Highland Reel matured into a very good horse and went on to win good races. Winx got flogged in her three year old year and went on to race against no hopers as the ones that had flogged her were no longer around.

Had Highland Reel come back to Australia or had Winx ever travelled (ha ha ha ha) he would have flogged her, as would have countless others. That is why she did not travel. You can't hide overseas and the races are not full of handicappers, stable mates and choreographed situations.

Good horse, best of her hopeless era, beat nuthin'.

As for your question Bootsie, Astern would have flogged Winx.

Now what about answering mine about Regumate?

Gladys,

How many times have you said that WINX had nuthin to beat?

If you genuinely believed this then why not simply, like a lot of people, have backed WINX time and time again either singularly or more particularly in a seies of all up bets?

My point is if you thought she had nuthin to beat then why bother laying her - that is unless of course your aim was to win less money.

In any case, re your: "Look at the price boofhead, The secret is to lay when you can also lay others as well." Talk is cheap Gladys. I don't beleive for one minute that you have developed a laying system where you are going to win each and every time and the bookies are going to lose each and every time.

How do I know that I am right?

I haven't seen too many bookies driving around in beat up old rusty Volvos recently!


Vinash & Gladys,

You both seem to be in agreement that Winx only beat poor opposition.

"there was no quality opposition" and or "beat nuthin"

Heres a simple challenge for you pair of supposed racing gurus.

I challenge you to come up with a horse that finished either 2nd or 3rd in any Cox Plate over the last thirty years that proved itself to be a higher class horse than the well performed renowned international star Highland Reel.

G1 stats - 7 wins, 7 placings from 22 starts & winner of over 11.5 million dollars

Come on have a go ya mugs, put up or shut up!

"You were found out Gary"

How did the inadvertant inclusion of "Astern" enhance my argument?

Humour me.

 

 

You were found out Gary. That is not the first time either is it?

Leave me out of your discussions and go back to fawning over your new bestie's comments.

What is your nick name Gary. It is not "Bootsie" is it.

I reiterate it is a statistical certainty that Chautauqua would have beaten Manikato over 1200 m at G1 WFA.

Why am I saying this?

Manikato never won a G1 1200m WFA race in his entire career.

King, your knowledge and attention to detail is incredible and I love reading your insights about our past topliners.

Gladys, just admit you have an obsession with leaders (Might and Power, Vo Rogue, Manikato, Sunline, etc) and that your head is still stuck in the previous century. Your nonsense arguments and lack of respect for fast finishers is fatiguing.

Khaptingly won't support you. You've created a new identity in Vinash, You made a major issue about my minor slipup, which is pathetic. You do not address any points raised by King, Your "dud opposition" argument is now that of  "performance enhancing medication".

Fifty five sensational wins by BC & W. You missed the lot. You have cynicism and contempt for all things modern, but hopefully, your Kodak celluloid footage of racing in the 70's, 80's and 90's will bring you much nostalgia and many tears of joy in your senior years.

 

 

Exactly Vinash. In her case it was stablemates, aged handicappers and the old gang from her stable running in perfect choreography.

Good horse, best of her pathetic era, beat absolutely nuthin'!

Whilst you are on a roll Gary, answer the question about Regumate please.

You get found out pretty easily when you mouth off, don't you Gary!

Gladys,

Re your:

"Just imagine what those horses that I mentioned would have done to the opposition that Winx beat. Name one, just one from her opposition that would have beaten Manikato up to a mile or Vo Rogue, Dulcify, Saintly at 2000 metres"

You are such a novice Gladys.

It is a statistical certainty that Chautauqua would have beaten Manikato over 1200 m at G1 WFA.

Saintly was NOT a G1 star over 2000 m at WFA as an alalysis of his record will prove.

He won the G1 Australian Cup as a 3yo beating Vialli.

Vialli only won one G1 2000 m WFA race in his entire racing career.

Saintly was beaten into 3rd in a lowly G3 Craven Plate 2000 m at WFA beaten by Adventurous.

Adventurous only ever won one G1 2000 m WFA race in his entire racing career.

Saintly won a G1 Cox Plate over 2040 m, although not technically 2000 m at WFA I suppose we could still give him some credit against his poor G1 2000 m WFA record.

But it is worth noting that Filante (who beat Saintly a number of times) was in fact marginally in front of him after 2000 m and with only 40 m to go.

Therefore it could be genuinely argued that Filante may well have had the ability to beat Saintly in a 2000 m G1 race at WFA.

Filante only ever won one G1 WFA race over 2000 m in his entire racing career.

Further to this although not technically a WFA race Saintly was also beaten in the G1 2000 m Rosehill Guineas as a 3 yo at SET WEIGHTS.

And as for Vo Rogue try as he might he couldn't even win one Cox Plate let alone four but then again he did win two Australian Cups however unfortunately he was also flogged in another.

Yeah, Vo Rogue won two Australian Cups but then again so did Harlem, oh and come to think of it he too just like Vo Rogue could NOT win a Cox Plate.

 

 

Benbatl was the 3rd best horse in the UK at that time.

What?

Benbatl ran in 5 G1's in the UK and wasn't placed in a single race. His losing distances in those 5 UK G1's were 3½, 11½, 5¼, 5¾ and 43½ lengths. He ran in 2 G1's in Australia, won the first and was placed behind Winx who beat him by 2L.

Winx was an amazing racehorse but she didn't have much opposition to beat. The fact that the likes of "Happy clapper" are named as her biggest rivals says it all. That being said, it isn't her fault that there was no quality opposition. You can only beat the horses that are put in front of you.

 

An error.

Good, thats one less horse that would have made the top ten in the world.

When did she race against Astern Gary?

Bit more of your poetic licence that you wheel out when found out?

"Winx raced against reasonable opposition in her early years and got flogged. That reasonable opposition then either retired, were injured or lost form...:"

Winx was "flogged" by ten greats including, First Seal, Adrift, Gust of Wind, Slghtly Sweet, Astern, Mossfun, Supara, Peggy Jean, Thunder Lady and Onemorezeta. If Winx was ranked as the World's best, then it appears that ten were even better. Australia is blessed. 

 

 

 

Not at all Gary. They all got beaten because they raced against quality opposition.

Winx raced against reasonable opposition in her early years and got flogged. That reasonable opposition then either retired, were injured or lost form and all that were left to race were the opposition that had been previously towelled by the aforementioned reasonable opposition.

Winx then went on to contest select races full of stable mates and other no hopers. There had been no weight for age horses in Australia  for years so the weight for age races were made up out of aged stayers all from her stable. They performed great deeds like forming a guard of honour, taking up the role of pacemaker when they had never led in their life and generally making sure that they kept right out of the way to ensure a smooth run to the finish for Winx.

Just imagine what those horses that I mentioned would have done to the opposition that Winx beat. Name one, just one from her opposition that would have beaten Manikato up to a mile or Vo Rogue, Dulcify, Saintly at 2000 metres or heaven forbid, Might and Power at 2400 metres.

I find the discussions (for want of a better word) with you and that other clown completely pointless. I think I will leave you two morons to your own mutual admiration society meetings. Maybe you can write to Bruce and have a three way howl.

Super Impose was a great G1 handicapper Docaster, Epsom, Doncaster, Epsom

BUT

Was it any wonder that Vo Rogue beat him time & time again at WFA as in reality he was not so good in G1 WFA races.

Try as he might history will show that he got beaten time & time again in G1 WFA races.

Yeah he won two Chipping Nortons & a Ranvet at G1 WFA but thats it, you cant count the debacle of a his Bradbury type Cox Plate win.

Even his trainer said he should NOT have won and that there is no question that Naturalism should have won that Cox Plate.

"I layed her about six times Gary. Whenever I see anything going around at $1.10 to $1.20 I like to lay them" Gladys, Winx was in that price range a hell of a lot more than 6 times!

"All the good horses got beat during their respective careers Gary because they came up against other good horses.." And there's your problem in a nutshell, Gladys. They ALL beat each other, ALL won their fair share of big races and therefore they were ALL champions. Its a wonderful story, but none of them were invincible - a concept which is clearly foreign to you.

 

 

 

 

Now Gary, answer my question.

Why is Regumate banned in all states except NSW. Why is it not allowed in the UK

I layed her about six times Gary. Whenever I see anything going around at $1.10 to $1.20 I like to lay them.

Of course Vo Rogue beat Super Impose Gary. He had no sprint left after chasing Vo Rogue. 

All the good horses got beat during their respective careers Gary because they came up against other good horses, not stable mates and bench mark no hopers like Winx did.

Enough with the BS, Gladys, how many times did you lay Winx in her last 33 starts?

As for Vo Rogue, didnt it demolish another of your champs, Super Impose, a few times? So, whats your point?

 

Look at the price boofhead, The secret is to lay when you can also lay others as well. 

Get someone to explain risk versus reward. Someone who is really patient and has experience conversing with total boneheads like yourself.

Gladys re your:

"She was a good horse, best of her era but just beat hopeless opposition, usually from her own stable."

"just beat hopless opposition"????

So if you had this opinion of her opposition then why did you declare her as a lay time & time again?

This does NOT make any sense to anybody except you Gladys.

Tell me Gladys was Red Excitement one of the ones that you expected to get up & knock off WINX during your continual laying WINX period?

And if NOT Red Excitement then perhaps you could share with us the hopless ones that you actually hoped would knock of WINX when you laid her time & time again.

You cant have it both ways Gladys, now you are saying she had hopless opposition but at the time you were prepared to lay her time and time again.

Come on Gladys how about you tell us say three or four horses that you thought at the time could knock off WINX in your WINX lays.

Are they only hopless opposition now because they did not get up & knock off WINX for you?

Gladys like I said before you are a massive CONTRADICTION time & time again.

Why would we take any notice of such a proven poor judge.

Gladys is undeniably on record as declaring that she was targetting WINX as a lay time & time again.

What a B00F Head

How was it an "impossible position" when she was just chasing rubbish Gary?

It is like Usain Bolt giving a few drunks from the local pub a forty metre start over one hundred metres.

If Red Excitement had been Vo Rogue she would have collapsed. Just ask the Freedmans about how Super Impose fared when Vo ran him into the ground and took away his sprint.

But then, he was probably a dud too.

She was a good horse, best of her era but just beat hopeless opposition, usually from her own stable.

Hey Gary,

Any wonder that poor old Gladys is up in arms.

She is still bitter about all the CASH that she lost declaring WINX as a lay time and time again in the hope that something like a Dandy Andy was going to knock her off.

But it never happend!

Poor D0PEY Gladys.

What do they say about a person who does the same thing over and over again expecting that there will be a different result.

I think its got something to do about being the first sign of madness or something like that.

Gladys, each time Winx came from an IMPOSSIBLE position, you would trash the opposition as being duds and no-hopers.

I just told you that Vo Rogue was beaten by a 150/ shot and you are up in arms..

Why?

Yes, you are absolutely right Gary. I don't know what I was thinking.

Phar Lap, Vain, Rising Fast, Bernborough, Tulloch, they all got beaten so they were complete duds too. Bradman got out to a few ordinary bowlers in his career, he must have been over rated too. 

The post by that total dullard King is just too ridiculous to even answer. You two clowns are a perfect match. Are you sure you are not one and the same? Surely, no two people could be that dumb.

 

Gladys,

Re your:

"name one horse that Winx defeated in races under a mile that would have got anywhere near Manikato."

 "That received no reply." ???????????? Thats BS I already told you the answer to this one months ago.

Answer = Chautauqua

Yes Chautauqua who did travel, unlike that dud handicapper called MANIKATO.

Remember when Gladys was damning Winx for not travelling or winning too many races under handicap conditions however she did win a number of G1 handicaps that she did participate in.

Manikato = a dud handicapper who did NOT travel.

Oh and dont worry about Dandy Andy Gary, yes Vo Rogue was a "GREAT HORSE" but the one that really had his measure was RUBITON.

Goodness gracious me..

Loved Vo Rouge. But didn't something at 150/1 named Dandy Andy beat it?

 

 

Don't waste your time with this clown Khap. He hasn't got an answer. I recall asking him and his boofheaded mate to name one horse that Winx defeated in races under a mile that would have got anywhere near Manikato. That received no reply. I then asked what horse(s) that Winx beat from 1600 to 2000  would have troubled Kingston Town, Dulcify,Vo Rogue or Super Immpose or for that matter any of our previous wfa stars. Same result.

Try a different question Khap. Why not ask why Regumate is banned everywhere except in NSW.

Good horse, best or her era, beat absolutely nuthin'.

 

You ignored the answers the first time, why would it be any different now?

Gary said

"You asked the "best 5" question a million times - and several have answered. You've ignored the answer, gone away for a period and then returned to ask the exact same question.  Anything else to offer?"

So several have answered, but Gary you have not provided your best 5. Gary you are the person trying to defend the quality that Winx defeated.  Gary you also claim several have answered, so back up your claim and point us to who they are and what horses they gave. After all you claim the search function is fabulous so it won't take you a moment and will back up that statement too. 

Third best in the UK at the time withlut winning a Group One race there?

Oh of course. That would be on some clown's "ratings".

No Khap my eye sight is not failing and I am not feeling flustered.

On the contrary I am seeing things crystal clear and feeling very

TRIUMPHANT & ELATED

Kiss my Royal Ring Losers

 

Benbatl second to Winx Cox Plate 2018.

Benbatl was the 3rd best horse in the UK at that time.

 

 

 

 

You asked the "best 5" question a million times - and several have answered. You've ignored the answer, gone away for a period and then returned to ask the exact same question.  Anything else to offer?

 

Gary said "Khap, I gave you a list of 20 local and overseas horses that Winx beat. The search function is brilliant for finding old posts."

Gary, I don't care about your list of what Winx beat. I can look that up in race results. I want to know what horses you would list as the best 5 horses that Winx defeated. That is what I asked. 

"The king" hey is your eye sight failing or are you just getting flustered.

 

if you can't explain your contradictions, best you say nothing and hope to hell that this debacle is eventually forgotten.

Nothing personal Gary, but frankly I could not care less what you think.

I know you consider yourself as the grand arbiter of all things factual but unfortunately for you I don't.

Instead of bothering with me why don't you go back to your ward and continue your views with the other peanut.

Gladys,

Surely you can see your numerous contradictions as pointed out by theking. You tried to justify your stance with arguments like (hasnt been overseas, times don't matter, what did it beat etc) but you have dug yourself into so many holes, and so many contradictions, that I'm actually feeling pity for you.

I'm not sure what I would do if I was in your position, but hurling insults at somebody after being slamdunked is not a mature way to lose an argument.

 

 

Why do people call people names when they are losing a debate, is it to deflect from the fact that their logic is flawed and they have LOST the debate?

I learned years ago Gary to never argue with an idiot.

They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Tell me though, are you in the same ward as that clown or just under the same shrink?

Gladys,

I'd like you to know that I don't enjoy seeing you get pummelled time and time again by theking. 

Cheers

 

I take it there is a severe staff shortage at the mental institution in which you have been placed King.

I bet they are all furiously looking for the laptop that you have managed to find.

 

Gladys you are the epitome of CONTRADICTION,

You wrote recently wrote:

"A Caulfield Cup in record time,"

But in the past you wrote:

"Race times are not the criteria."

And in regard to G1 handicaps you wrote:

"Victoria are all handicaps. Melbourne Cup, Caulfield Cup and the Newmarket."

And yet in relation to Might and Power you write:

"A Melbourne Cup beating Doremus (ever heard of him?),"

"it (Might & Power) is not a better horse, just better weighted.

AND

"They (including Might & Power) are handicappers racing against handicappers with the winner being the one that can carry weight.

There is no turn of foot, no acceleration, just one paced goats grinding away."

I reiterate, one minute you are saying:

"A Caulfield Cup (G1 hcp) in record time"

BUT

Not so long ago you said:

"There is no turn of foot, no acceleration, just one paced goats grinding away."

Go figure?

Sorry Gladys it would appear that you do not have any idea of what you really think or what you are actually trying to say.

You are one very extremely CONFUSED individual.

A further illustration of your total and indisputable CONFUSION is as follows.

You also lauded Might and Power for having won "A Cox Plate."

And yet in the past you are on record as having said:

"The Cox Plate does not rate."

Sorry Gladys but I am unsure that I should be bothering with you in the future as it would appear that not even you has any idea of what you are trying to say.

Gladys you can not dispute the disjointed facts shown above.

You may not realise it as yet but you are certainly one very CONFUSED individual.

PS

Did Might and Power travel any further afield than WINX?

Doremus, Gary, it beat Doremus. It was a Melbourne Cup Gary. it was over two miles Gary. Look at how much weight it went up after the Caulfield Cup win Gary. Look at previous top liners that never won a Melbourne Cup Gary. Might and Power was not a true two miler Gary. it was its heart and class that allowed him to lead all the way and win.

I don't understand how anyone who big notes themselves like yourself as being a racing fan could denigrate one of our great champions like Might and Power in an attempt to distract from the fact that Winx just beat no hoping duds that were invariably her stable mates all riding in the guard of honour formation.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin'.

Might and Power IS/WAS a champion.  But it is a fact that it beat Harbour Dues and Markham by a mere length - which does not do it justice. I can see that, but you can't, because it is the same stupid logic that YOU use to belittle Winx.

Name ANY champion and you will find scores of "duds" that finished nearby, whether it be behind, or in front.  

If you think I need to explain why I thought Might and Power was a great champion Gary then you are an even bigger dill than I first thought.

Just try and imagine this: A Caulfield Cup in record time, A Melbourne Cup beating Doremus (ever heard of him?), A Cox Plate.

I think Rising Fast is the only other horse in history do accomplish that little feat.

I suggest you spend your time sending PMs to that bone head King and refrain from insulting the intelligence of racing fans.

"If she had come up against something like Might and Power she would have collapsed at the mile"

Gladys,

Markham finished less than a length behind in third place, with Harbour Dues a close up 4th in the 1997 Melbourne Cup. I'm not discrediting Might and Power by any stretch, but perhaps you can tell me how good Markham and Harbour Dues were. And then maybe you can revisit your comment about Winx collapsing at the mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaDte_FlZw4

Khap, I gave you a list of 20 local and overseas horses that Winx beat. The search function is brilliant for finding old posts.

 

Gary, some may have the impression that you have some knowledge of the career of Winx and the races she ran in. To uphold that impression that some may have, can you provide us with the names of the five best horses, in your opinion, that Winx met during her career.

If she raced the appallling opposition that she faced through her career, post three year old, I am sure you are correct Gary.

In fact, if she faced those duds, she would probably have won by about twenty lengths.

If she had come up against something like Might and Power she would have collapsed at the mile.

Winx by 10 lengths in any Melbourne Cup - and an end to its winning streak in the following year.

Winx would have KT's measure, except for the major part of their journeys as three year olds.

 

Re: "Kingston Town versus Winx over 1200 or 3200. Who have you got."????

The answer is obvious.

theking has always been and alwaways will be SUPERIOR!

 

I can Khap. It was those five aged stayers that came from her stable and formed the guard of honour on a regular basis.

Welcome back, at last we will get some sensible posts.

Kingston Town no doubt on the basis he continually defeated better horses than what Winx did. In fact after all these years no one has been able to tell us the best five horses that Winx beat.

Kingston Town versus Winx over 1200 or 3200. Who have you got.

Gladys,

You disappoint me, is that all you've got?

I'd say that the best word available to describe you and your recent posts is IMPOTENT.

I accept that when it comes to being an authority on fools and stupidity then you are the guru King. You are indeed the messiah of simpletons all over the world.

Another old saying is "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear or an idiot from any direction".

School goes back next week so I guess you will be quiet now for a while.

gladys,

There is an old saying which directly relates to you as soon as you have run out of anything you feel is credible to say and that is:

"Talk sense to a fool and they will call you foolish."

I have absolutely smashed you in this debate by simply providing FACTS which continually negated your fanciful statements about Winx.

You say that I need therapy but unfortunately it is you that is the one who is actually in need of therapy.

I reiterate the point that I have smashed you in this Winx debate simply because I have presented the actual FACTS.

You on the other hand are completely delusional

eg. You watch the replay of Winx's record breaking 2015 Cox plate winning by 4.8 lengths against by your own admission probably "the best field she ever faced"

BUT

You do not see a great CHAMP beating a high class field in race record time by 4.8 lengths like 99.9% of the Australian and International racing pundits

NO

All you see is your delusional version with Criterion being almost launched over the running rail causing interference to almost the entire field which was made up of "a few handicappers and load of aged stayers from the same stable."

Gladys there can be NO denying that your version of the 2015 Cox Plate is NOT in fact delusional as it is a FACT that the STEWARDS did NOT see or report any of the NONSENSICAL  FANTASY VERSION of events that you attempted to describe and convince us of.     

These are FACTS Gladys, your version simply DID NOT HAPPEN, you are delusional and obviously you are the one in need of therapy.   

Further to this I would like you to read the following with a view to:

A) You coming to terms with admitting to yourself that you are in fact delusional

B) Hopefully recognize just how wise your King thus no longer continuing to ignore his wise counsel.

C) Realize that your King is only trying to help you.           

"When a person says something that reveals foolish thinking — the wise person will recognize the foolishness and avoid engagement in any meaningful way. But it’s not the FOOLISHNESS ITSELF that determines our response. It’s the ATTITUDE of the fool (gladys) holding the viewpoint. Remember, one of the characteristics of a fool (gladys) is that they ignore wise counsel when they hear it. They think they understand when they don’t. So our words and arguments and logic are lost on the fool (gladys). Wisdom is like a foreign language to the fool (gladys). He doesn’t grasp it. He just doesn’t get it. So trying to reason with a fool (gladys) is just…well…unreasonable. So we should abandon the hope that we’re going to get any traction with a fool (gladys). We aren’t. That’s what MAKES THEM a fool (gladys).

They don’t listen to wise counsel from the KING.

 

Look at all the capitals, highlighting and colours you need to convince yourself King.

I bet you dream about me and your next response every night.

It is called "obsession". When is your therapist due back, must be soon or have you put him into therapy.

Hi Gladys,

Eating crow is a colloquial idiom, used in some English-speaking countries, that means humiliation by admitting having been proven wrong after taking a strong position. The crow is a carrion-eater that is presumably repulsive to eat in the same way that being proven wrong might be emotionally hard to swallow.

Gladys I reckon that you will be feeling like you have a large CROW BONE stuck in your throat about now.

Enjoy the experience L05ER

Gladys,

You have a massive appetite for EATING CROW

You said:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

WHAT A LOAD OF BS

I have watched this race over and over and it would appear that both myself and the STEWARDS did NOT see the fanciful interference that you describe as supposedly happening:

"Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field."

Sorry NOVICE no amount of insistence from you that the interference actually took place as you described will convince anybody including the STEWARDS that it actually happened that way.

Dream on D0PEY if it actually happened it would have been stated in the STEWARDS REPORT.

Here is the Stewards Summary @ Cox Plate Day Published 25 Oct 2015 read it and weep as you polish off your latest CARRION CROW CARCASS.

 

Race 9 - WILLIAM HILL COX PLATE (Group 1) - 2040 metres:

  • Pornichet (FR) - connections advised would be ridden quieter from the wide gate; settled in a position worse than mid-field.
  • Criterion (NZ) - slow into stride. Checked off the heels of Winx near the 1600m. Checked severely near the 450m to avoid the heels of Winx which had improved to the inside of The Cleaner which after initially having shifted out was then straightened by its rider. In assessing the incident the Stewards could not be fully satisfied that Hugh Bowman (Winx) had a careless riding charge to answer, given the contributing factors in that The Cleaner, when being straightened, left insufficient room for two runners to the inside resulting in Criterion running out of room.
  • Preferment (NZ) - got its head up near the winning post the first time, when being steadied off the heels of Criterion (NZ).
  • Arod (IRE) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and through the middle stages. Hampered at the 500m when taken out off its course by The Cleaner which shifted out abruptly. Rider Craig Williams reported his mount pulled up poorly and a subsequent veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Gailo Chop (FR) - raced keenly turning out of the straight and in the middle stages.
  • Hartnell (GB) - steadied at the 500m to avoid the heels of Highland Reel (IRE) which was taken out by Arod (IRE) which in turn was taken out by The Cleaner, which shifted out abruptly when struck with the whip.
  • Highland Reel (IRE) - hampered at the 500m when bumped by Arod (IRE) which had been taken out.
  • Complacent - raced three wide without cover. Rider James Doyle reported when placed under pressure it failed to respond and was most disappointing; a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities.
  • Kermadec (NZ) - a post race veterinary examination failed to reveal any abnormalities other than a slower than normal recovery.

 

Yes I agree that was the best field she ever faced after the retirement of First Seal and the others.

Unfortunately, Criterion was almost launched over the running rail which caused interference to almost the entire field.

Had that not happened we would not be subjected to your and Gary's continual blathering.

Gladys you said:

"Take her out of the Cox Plates she won and give us all an appraisal of the opposition.

"more than half the field that had never won a Group One.

Eat crow dopey!

In her 2015 race record Cox Plate win by 4.8 lengths all but three of her opposition had all won at least one Group 1 race.

The only THREE exceptions were:

1. The Cleaner who had been beaten only 0.2 in the 2015 G1 Underwood Stakes.

2. Gailo Chop who had run 2nd in a G1 at Longchamp  France beaten only 1.5 len. 

Soon after his run in the 2015 Cox Plate he won the G1 Mackinnon Stakes.

3. Arod who ran 2nd G1 Goodwood beaten 0.5 len Sussex Stakes (British Championship Series)

Further to this, this field was made up of many horses who had performed well at the highest level on the international stage in a number of cases multiple countries and or continents.

She blitzed a high class field by 4.8 len in record time.

As an afterthought Gary, I can recall Khap continually posting about the duds in Australian racing and repeatedly calling for the names of quality horses that Winx had beaten.

Strangely, he then had trouble posting. I imagine I am on borrowed time to as I continue to challenge the views of Team Gary.

Maybe only one critic at a time is allowed on this site.


 

Khap posted a while back Gary and gave me plenty of encouragement. It seems since the move to the new format he has trouble having his posts published.

He is not alone in that. It seems everyone has deserted the ship including your sycophantic fan club president L. Rex.

In any event, I don't need to have a mass following before I express an opinion. It would seem you get a bit uncomfortable if you haven't got the mob behind you.

You're on your own Gladys. Not even Khap and Fairburn have come to support you.

Pointless discussing this with you or Gary. Go on living in fantasy land together.

She got 2 kilos off no hoping aged stayers who were her stablemates. Older horses that raced against her had their opportunities to run in and win Group races but were too hopeless.

When she retired all these horses were then rounded up flogged by a couple of nine year olds with crook feet.

We have not had a decent weight for age horse besides her since So You Think. Speaking of which, what do you think he would have done to the camels she beat.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin' but aged stablemates and other duds.

 

Gladys you are showing yourself up as a novice yet again with the following silly comments.

"Given that we have about 74 Group Ones"

How many of these 74 G1s are restricted to 2 & 3 year olds?

"more than half the field that had not won at weight for age and more than half the field that had never won a Group One."

Its pretty hard to win a G1 or WFA race when Winx was racing derrrrr!

I agree King. She did all those things. It was really easy too when you had no opposition, no pressure, just a few stablemates and a few assorted handicappers to beat.

Take her out of the Cox Plates she won and give us all an appraisal of the opposition. In at least two there was more than half the field that had not won at the distance, more than half the field that had not won at weight for age and more than half the field that had never won a Group One.

Given that we have about 74 Group Ones and that all but about half a dozen are Mickey Mouse races, quite easy to see how she did it.

Look at the list you provided. What do you think each of them would have done to the goats she beat.

Gladys the F00L

What did Winx beat?

She beat:

1. The record for the most number of Cox Plate wins. Even the great champion KINGSTON TOWN try as he might could not win four Cox Plates. (I for one never thought that I would see his record broken)

2. The course and race record for the Cox Plate multiple times.

3. The times that all of the following GREAT horses could only manage in winning their respective Cox Plates over the previous FORTY YEARS. (only a F00L would disregard this stat)

2014 Adelaide (IRE) 2011 Group 1 2040m
2013 Shamus Award (AUS) 2010 Group 1 2040m
2012 Ocean Park (NZ) 2008 Group 1 2040m
2011 Pinker Pinker (AUS) 2007 Group 1 2040m
2010 So You Think (NZ) 2006 Group 1 2040m
2009 So You Think (NZ) 2006 Group 1 2040m
2008 Maldivian (NZ) 2002 Group 1 2040m
2007 El Segundo (NZ) 2001 Group 1 2040m
2006 Fields Of Omagh (AUS) 1997 Group 1 2040m
2005 Makybe Diva (GB) 1999 Group 1 2040m
2004 Savabeel (AUS) 2001 Group 1 2040m
2003 Fields Of Omagh (AUS) 1997 Group 1 2040m
2002 Northerly (AUS) 1996 Group 1 2040m
2001 Northerly (AUS) 1996 Group 1 2040m
2000 Sunline (NZ) 1995 Group 1 2040m
1999 Sunline (NZ) 1995 Group 1 2040m
1998 Might And Power (NZ) 1993 Group 1 2040m
1997 Dane Ripper (AUS) 1993 Group 1 2040m
1996 Saintly (AUS) 1992 Group 1 2040m
1995 Octagonal (NZ) 1992 Group 1 2040m
1994 Solvit (NZ) 1988 Group 1 2040m
1993 The Phantom Chance (NZ) 1989 Group 1 2040m
1992 Super Impose (NZ) 1984 Group 1 2040m
1991 Surfers Paradise (NZ) 1987 Group 1 2040m
1990 Better Loosen Up (AUS) 1985 Group 1 2040m
1989 Almaarad (IRE) 1983 Group 1 2040m
1988 Our Poetic Prince (AUS) 1984 Group 1 2040m
1987 Rubiton (AUS) 1983 Group 1 2050m
1986 Bonecrusher (NZ) 1982 Group 1 2050m
1985 Rising Prince (AUS) 1980 Group 1 2050m
1984 Red Anchor (NZ) 1981 Group 1 2050m
1983 Strawberry Road (AUS) 1979 Group 1 2050m
1982 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1981 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1980 Kingston Town (AUS) 1976 Group 1 2050m
1979 Dulcify (NZ) 1975 Group 1 2000m
1978 So Called (NZ) 1974 Principal race 2040m
1977 Family Of Man (AUS) 1973 Principal race 2040m
1976 Surround (NZ) 1973 Principal race 2040m
1975 Fury's Order (NZ) 1970 Principal race 2040m
1974 Battle Heights (NZ) 1967 Principal race 2040m
   

4. Add to this some of the greats who although attempted to win a Cox could not manage to win one let alone four, there are no doubt many other examples but here are a few that come immediately to mind:

LONHRO,   VO ROGUE,   DEFIER,   FILANTE,   NATURALISM

 

That is really rich coming from you Gary., given the name calling coming from you against any one who questions your proclamations about the greatest horse ever born.

Nowhere did I say they were prematurely retired champions, that is just more of your lying to justify your adulation of the horse.

Read what I said and perhaps it will permeate your thick scone. No one, not even a self proclaimed Einstein like yourself, can predict how far those horses may have gone with their achievements. All one can do is look at what they did achieve, ie, towelling your dud beater,and then drawing a conclusion that if they remain sound, they could go on to anything.

Any horse out of the past who was any good would have flogged the non existent competition that she faced. The fact she won all those races was testament to the fact that there was no opposition except a few handicappers and load of aged stayers from the same stable.

Look at Manikato and the good horses he beat. Tell me anyone of those that raced predominantly against their own stablemates.

Good horse, best of her era, beat absolutely nuthin' but no hoping duds.

Gladys,

Re your:

"How long did it take you to write that emotional drivel, King?"

I type at approximately 50 words per minute.

Here's a challenge for you NOVICE, even a 6th class kid could answer you question but given your lack of understanding iof the relationship between speed and time, I very much doubt that you have the ability to answer your own question.

Perhaps you could get an @dult to help you with it, come on Gladys surprise us all and work out the answer & while your at it man up & also give us your answer to my previous question.

Is it A) or B)?

If you don't have anything to say, attack the writer. That's great form, Gladys.

You say that there were three prematurely retired champions (Fenway, First Seal and Gust of Wind), who had the wood on Winx (while she was still developing), yet you fail to mention, Slightly Sweet. Why is that?

Slightly Sweet met Winx twice and beat her both times. Why does she not get a mention?

 

How long did it take you to write that emotional drivel, King?

Did you have to take medication or counselling breaks during its composition?

I guess you will be spending the next few days in a darkened room with your Winx flag and cap talking to Gary on the phone for comfort.

Gladys the novice,

Re your:

"Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain."

1. There is no such horse as Yamizaki. (in the Aus Studbook)

2. I assume that a novice such as yourself was actually talking about YamAzaki

3. She DID NOT run the final "furlong" in 10.5 seconds

4. In the race that she won at the Gold Coast to which you referred the final 600 m was run in 34.59.

5. At her next race start the final 600 m was also run in 34.59 however she ended up finishing seventh out of sixteen horses.

6. The point you seem to miss in all this Gladys the novice is that Winx had the ability to run fast times in all sections of her record time winning Cox plates not just in the final 600 m or 200 m portions of the race which you seem to want to dwell on.

7. If she "ONLY" ran a fast final 600 m or 200 m pure mathematics in relation to the time it takes you to get from point A (start) to Point B (finish line) would prove that to run a couple of Cox Plate race records she would also have to have been running fast sectionals in the other parts of the race otherwise mathematically it would have  been impossible for these race records to be achieved.

8. Sorry Gladys but if you have any hope of rising above novice class in your desire to communicate with other well educated racing people I suggest that you do a remedial maths course in the hope of gaining a basic understanding of speed and time. 

9. Your silly suggestion that Yamizaki??? could be better than Vain shows you up for the F00L that you are. It may well have run approximately 10.5 seconds for the final furlong??? in winning a race but the point you seem to miss is that none of this counts unless it can also sustain reasonably good or fast sectionals within the race as well (like WINX) if it has any hope of winning.

10. Many years ago I knew a bloke who had a filly that could burn the track up & produce amazing sectionals over the last 200 m but unfortunately it would give up like a pricked balloon at the 700 m mark even in a 900 m race at Newcastle. Yeah this filly had speed to burn but they could never find a race short enough for it. (never won a race or even placed)

11. NOVICE I hope you appreciate me taking the time to help to educate you, please oh please do not take my suggestion about booking yourself into a remedial maths course lightly.

12. Perhaps after your remedial maths course you may feel a little more confident in attempting to address an answer to my A) or B) question to you.

13. Yeah one can only hope, it is a very simple multiple choice question for a very simple girl but it would appear that as yet you have neither the confidence or the ability to give me an answer.

 

8. 

I bet Gladys isn't Gladys. That's a moral. He's throwin the bait out tho!

Yes Gary, they all beat her quite convincingly and who knows what they might have done if they kept on improving.

As to what they may have actually achieved who knows. Of course a big know it all like yourself would know but us mere mortals could only guess.

One thing I am sure of though is that if they had kept on racing in their previous form we wouldn't be talking about Winx and her records. They wouldn't exist.  Instead the wins were just racked up as she took on those no hoping stablemates and other duds season after season.

 

 

"I also conceded she was unbeatable in the races she competed in after First Seal and a couple of others gave it away."

Gladys, you are implying that these THREE horses were superior to Winx! This means we lost THREE potential world champions to injury or retirement in just a few short months?!. 

Effectively Winx rose to prominence only after these THREE left the racing scene?!

If just one of the THREE had continued racing, I presume it would have won five Cox Plates and recorded 40 consecutive wins?!

Jeez, how lucky was Winx to avoid that trio of champions?!

 

Gladys,

Re your:

"Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain."

YOU ARE SUCH A NOVICE!

I am beginning to think that you are one of those d0pes that says things like:

If Black Caviar was so good then why didn't they put her in the Melbourne Cup.

According to your logic an Oakleigh Plate winner should be trained to win a Cox Plate

I would be extremely happy if I was one of the connections Piggy.

I also conceded she was unbeatable in the races she competed in after First Seal and a couple of others gave it away.

I also have always conceded she was the best of her era and a very good horse.

What I don't concede if that she ever competed against anything with talent except a three year old on the way up. Had Criterion not been almost put over the running rail the whole story would have been completely different.

Good horse, best of her era, beat nuthin'.

The last 260 odd horses that she raced. I don't think you would carry on with this cr*p if you had a piece of the action. Cheers, The Pig.

I try not to respond to your drivel King, as even though you are probably a nice chap away from the keyboard, you' re unfortunately a total dunce.

Like Gary, you are totally obsessed with using times to justify your obsession with your horse.

Have a look at last week's races at the Gold Coast. In a restricted race, Yamizaki covered the final furlong in 10.5 seconds. Using your inverted logic she would have beaten and been a better horse than Vain.

Now there's a good chap. Run along and watch the reruns of Winx beating up the guard of honour and have a joint howl with your new best friend.

 

Gladys you have obviously been snookered yet again again by your King's superior intellect.

Just answer the question oh gutleS5 one, it aint that hard!

Come on [email protected] what is your answer  A)  or  B)  ?

When does your therapist return from Christmas leave King?

Gladys,

The following is as far away as you could probably get from your "A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint"

"She first made Cox Plate history in 2015 setting a race record, but blitzed her own record with her third success in 2017. Winx also made the history books in 2016 setting the eight length winning margin record in the ‘Race Where Champions Are Made’."

Yes the great Winx could reel off some amazing sectionals in the final sprint home but even she could not set Cox plate race and course records simply by only providing a sprint at the end.

Pure mathematics will prove even to a novice like you Gladys that Cox Plate records can not be achieved with a combination of "A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint".

The point is that the preceding sections of the race record Cox Plate wins could NOT have been "A leisurely stroll" or the Cox Plate race records could NOT have been achieved unless of course the sprint home by Winx was that of some sort of SUPER HORSE producing a sprint at the end the like of which has never been seen before.

Come on Gladys its multiple choice give us an answer is it A) or B)?

A) The sections of the race record Cox Plates prior to the sprint at the end were NOT "A leisurely stroll"

OR

B) The sections of the race record Cox Plates prior to the sprint at the end were in fact run at "A leisurely stroll" and the only reason that Winx was able to run Cox Plate records was because she was in FACT some sort of SUPER HORSE producing a sprint at the end the like of which has never been seen before.

What is your answer gutle55 Gladys,is it  A) or B) ?

Failure to give us a simple answer of either A) or B) will be an admission on your part that you are in fact a mealy mouthed novice who knows very little about racing.

PS

Gary Gladys is in denial about a number of things but here are a few of the obvious ones

1. She is in denial about wishing that she could have a friend like Gary!

2. She is in denial that Winx was a CHAMPION.

 

"A leisurely stroll ending with a sprint"..sounds a bit like taking on stablemates that are aged one paced stayers and a few random handicappers doesn't it.

Now, where have I seen that happening?

Am I dreaming, or has the "Add Reply" option been removed?

King, apart from Winx's World ranking, about what is Gladys in denial?  

 

 

Gladys,

"Winx went on to become arguably the greatest Cox Plate winner of all time when her 2018 success saw her become history’s only four-time champion. She first made Cox Plate history in 2015 setting a race record, but blitzed her own record with her third success in 2017. Winx also made the history books in 2016 setting the eight length winning margin record in the ‘Race Where Champions Are Made’."

ONE OF YOUR NOMINATED GREAT HORSES OF THE PAST IN VO ROGUE COULD NOT WIN EVEN ONE COX PLATE LET ALONE RUN A COURSE OR RACE RECORD IN THIS EVENT

PS

Re the Christmas night the 26th

I have been waiting to say this, "GLadys you are obviously IN DENIAL".

"I saw Might and Power break 32 for 600m in a track gallop with one horse in between races at Rosehill one day Gary"

A track gallop is a leisurely stroll ending with a sprint. It is not a race. What's your point?

 

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I have asked (begged) R&S to disable or conceal the "add reply" button.

She ran the last 400 in 22.02 seconds.

I saw Might and Power break 32 for 600m in a track gallop with one horse in between races at Rosehill one day Gary.

If there is no pressure on during a race most reasonable horses can reel off a good finishing time. How many reeled off good times when they were chasing Vo Rogue or Manikato. No one. Super Impose had no sprint left when he chased Vo Rogue.

What is your point Gary. Good horse, best in era, beat nuthin'

Let it rest.

Gary, when you stop sobbing about her retirement go on to U Tube and have a look at horses like All Silent in the Patinack, Chautauqua in the TJ Smith and Super Impose in his Doncaster/Epsoms win, with top weight I might add.

Just watch the starts they gave away against good horses and they rounded them up. Look at the old handicap races at the trots. Off a standing start they would give away up to 100 metres over a mile and round them up,

She ran down a bunch of no hopers that were not group horses. With due respect, her opposition were third raters and you know it.

Trying to ridicule me or banging on about how she won means nothing. She just beat duds.

 

If they were racing against the opposition they usually faced, with the exception of Manikato, they would struggle

If they would racing against the no hopers she beat they would do it on their ear.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that "Might and Power, Sunline, So You Think, Vo rogue or Manikato" could have given the leaders in a 1300 metre race, a 7 length start with just 200 metres to run and handed out a thrashing.

Gary,  you have to be kidding. Any half decent horse of yesteryear would have flogged the pathetic competition that Winx faced.

She was a very good horse who was blessed to run in an era of total duds. She beat aged handicappers, second rate plodders and stable mates forming a guard of honour. She had the benefit of being shrewdly placed and kept sound. Regular doses of Regumate did the rest. Tell me, why is Regumage banned overseas. What happened to BC when she was forced to race without it overseas. She fell in at Ascot against a horse that had never won over the distsnce and all we got was that tripe about her being injured. If she was injured she would not have run or been allowed to run.

Back to Winx, she was the best of her era but beat nuthin'

All that tripe about race callers falling to their knees. In every sport you have a broadcaster shouting hysterically about the most minor things. I know you love it because it suits your mindset. I am sure you were sobbing away when the media interviewed the jockey's wife and child and would have been in convulsions when the they turned up in the open car at last year's Cox Plate.

Instead of asking me stupid questions just answer this one. Name one of the greats of yesteryear who would have been beaten by any of the no hopers that Winx beat. What do you think Might and Power,Sunline, So You Think, Vo rogue or Manikato would have done to that list of duds you provided.

 

Gladys, you said - "You forgot to include Sons of John, L'Esquetie Spirit. Red Excitement and Foxwedge."

Regarding Sons of John's race - Winx was first up at 1300 metres-

At the 400m - Winx (ridden by Jmac) was last, had to check off heels and was going nowhere.

At the 300m - Still last. JMac pulls out to make a run.

At the 200m - Making ground, but still seven lengths behind.

At the 120m - The racecaller calls Winx as being 5 lengths behind.

The racecaller takes his eyes off her and doesnt see her again until two strides from home.

She wins and the racecaller drops to his knees.

Everybody except you witnessed a champion.

Australia has been blessed with a number of great horses over the past few decades. Please provide a list of those that could have done what Winx did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuiYGHVQqTU


 

You forgot to include Sons of John, L'Esquetie Spirit. Red Excitement and Foxwedge.

How depressing is it to read through that list. Hartnell and Benbatl were third raters brought over here because they could not win in Europe and Highland Reel went on to better things.

The rest, with the exception of Happy Clapper and Chautauqua, are total no hopers and pin up horses for bookmakers.

 

I wouldn't call Chautauqua a "no hoper". 

He was a sprinter. He faced Winx at 1500m in the G1 George Ryder Stakes. 1500m was not his go despite him finishing 3rd to Winx (by 8.6 lengths) in that George Ryder Stakes in 2017.

This list was provided a year ago.

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Happy Clapper
Egg Tart
Benbatl
Humidor
Youngstar
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Kings Will Dream
Le Romain
Gailo Chop
Kementari
Hartnell
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Chautauqua
Black Hart Bart
Hauraki
Rebel Dane
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Azkadellia
Kermadec
Press Statement
Solicit
Highland Reel

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and...Vadamoss
 

This has really gripped everyone's imagination, hasn't it.

Why don't you name the ten best horses that Winx beat.  That will completely do your head in.

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